MasterCaneman
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Illuminating. Makes sense in a way, especially for an apartment-dweller. I've generally just went ahead and slapped one in wherever I lived anyway, because I know whatever POS landlord I get is gonna keep my deposit. But I can see the problem in an urban high-rise just getting the safe into the building undetected. But I can see your situation more clearly know just by knowing where you live.
One thought occurs to me: have you ever considered a take-down rifle? Even if the maker doesn't offer one, there are gunsmiths who can convert a lever-action to take-down. I saw a late-80's Winchester that had it done. A little pricy, but the results fit into a very mundane case that looked like it was for a musical instrument.
I'm not sure what the advantage would be. I'm not in need of a home defense weapon, if I was I'd get a short 12 gauge, and in case of a break in it would be the thing I'd least want stolen (not that we've had any break ins, I chose a building with ownership that is serious about security).
Oh, nothing to do with home defense. It takes a bit of doing to put together a take-down rifle. I was just saying, it would be a way to keep your property under your control, rather than at the mercy and forethought of others. For a home defense weapon without too many hoops to jump through, a 12 or 20 gauge cruiser is a fine choice. Birdshot/field loads are more than enough, not a lot of penetration to keep your neighbors happy, and they rathole when they strike flesh at close range. You also have the option of less-than-lethal loads (rubber buck, slugs, and koosh balls) that can put a world-class hurtin' on someone without sending them to the great beyond.
I thought you were not a fan of shotguns as home defense?
For myself personally, no, but it has nothing to do with their efficacy in that role. I've got torn rotator cuffs in both shoulders, and I walk with a cane, to boot. It's simply easier for me to use a handgun. I'm also of the belief that whatever you happen to have that throws lead and is in your hands is the ideal self-defense tool.
When I use the 12 ga. I do have, it's usually with low-brass target and field loads for birds, rabbits, and squirrels, and I usually keep it down to 5 shots or so. Buck and slugs are reserved solely for deer and if a black bear decides to amble into camp. Where I to acquire a self-defense shotgun, I'd seriously consider a 20 ga. because it's less of a bruiser. On the off-chance I need to use Barely Legal in that role, I went and got some of those koosh ball less-lethal loads.
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