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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/14/2013 8:03:26 PM   
Lucylastic


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lot of words? no just the families words, "from the familys statement", with relevant highlights to show they are not happy with the result.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/14/2013 8:22:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		And proving my assertion that they do not think SYG is relevant to the case.

You can pretend otherwise if you want, disgusting as that is.




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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/14/2013 8:38:17 PM   
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disgusting truth, is still the truth
keep biling...its you doing it to yourself:)

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/14/2013 8:45:25 PM   
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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/14/2013 8:49:51 PM   
Lucylastic


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you brought politics into it.... YOU cant comprehend what the family are saying..Im done, you clearly dont have a grasp of the facts in their statement, Id play with you some more, but it would be unfair....and over taunting people makes my ass ache.
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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/14/2013 10:23:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I think we both made our points to our respective audiences. You are passing judgments without knowing the facts, are using biased sources (honestly ThinkProgress aren't you embarrassed to use such a 'source'), falsely claiming a SYG was invoked, and the family explicitly stated SYG is not part of this case.

I want more information before I make a judgment.

You have a good night too.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/14/2013 11:41:24 PM   
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killing boys because of loud music

Once again you have selective memory SYG was denied in that case so it did not allow what you want it to.


If you are referring to the Micheal Dunn case in Florida that is still pending. The Rodriguez case in Texas, he was found guilty, he did use the Stand Your Ground Law.



(almost) Every defendant is going to present a defense of some sort. If they attempt to use SYG, they ADMIT the Killing. IF in a simplified cheaper quicker process they are found to have acted in self defense, justice is served the innocent walk and the state saves time, money and resources. If they fail to get immunity from SYG, they have admitted the killing, making the following trial, much faster and cheaper. Rodriguez used SYG to admit to an unlawful killing, and is in prision.

Why would that upset you?


I can you have little understanding of the legal system. First of all even if not given immunity a trial is held, just as in the Rodriguez case who did at the time of trial used the SYG. Also Prosecution still must prove it case. What happened at the SYG hearing is not in most admissible. Further does it save time and money, the SYG is a pretrial hearing and what ever the judges' ruling can be appealed by either side which in the case is so.

As to the Castle Doctrine and the SYG they are connected. The Castle Doctrine applies to the home defense. The SYG is an extension of this Doctrine that states the person can defended themselves outside their home.

Also there is not evidence that Niles knew the girl or had any connection with them. But since Niles is black, I am sure many think he was guilty of something.

And in the Scotts case the SYG was used, so it is very relevant.

Nothing wrong with Think Progress it has a very good reputation.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/14/2013 11:51:20 PM   
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I can you have little understanding of the legal system.

Wow.


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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/15/2013 12:14:49 AM   
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But since Niles is black, I am sure many think he was guilty of something.

Shannon Scott's attorney was black, too. Ahem.

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Nothing wrong with Think Progress it has a very good reputation.

About as good as yours.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/15/2013 5:57:42 AM   
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So he was driving the girl home........only to get shot.......that makes it all better.
Or are you talking about shannon shot first, (shannon being the father???)and boo boos friend ?
Why does the defense chap rutherford, say....the mistake was made not arresting those female thugs who were going to do the drive by. Not, by the girls who did the drive by?
Something stinks.... im sorry, the mothers statement says to me that he should indeed be doing time.

Why do the anti gun people keep pretending that we think Neil's death is ok?
Nobody I repeat nobody says anything remotely resembling that.
Nothing makes the death better.
There is no indication he shot first.
Witnesses heard them shooting so pretending they didn't start it is nothing but a straw man.



Because it's easier to get people on your side if you can paint the other side as evil as possible. Doesn't matter if it's true or not as long as you can get some to believe it.

LMFAO...awwwwwww and the shit flies in both directions, hahahahahahhahahaha




I made it so it would fit both sides on purpose. And I am not a bit surprised you felt the need to snark at it. You seem bound and determined to imply I am slamming the left and failing miserably.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/15/2013 6:04:38 AM   
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There is a difference between telling someone that they can't have an opinion because they don't live here and that they don't understand the laws here because they don't live here.
And from your posts I would say he meant the latter in this case.



Says one of the people which stated I shouldnt be posting as I wasnt American.

It seems to be a common tack by Republicans who dont wish to have anyone challenge the shit they post. I have never been told I shouldnt be posting by someone who is Democrat..... Odd aint it boi ?




Show me where I told you you couldn't post in this thread. Then maybe you can explain the need to drag the right vs left bullshit into it. It seems to be a common tack by those who really have nothing to say.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/15/2013 6:57:13 AM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		But since Niles is black, I am sure many think he was guilty of something.


Scott is black is that why you know he is wrong?
What a silly attempt to interject race, everyone involved was black so Neils race is only relevant to racebaiters.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/15/2013 9:27:49 AM   
Nosathro


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But since Niles is black, I am sure many think he was guilty of something.

Shannon Scott's attorney was black, too. Ahem.

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Nothing wrong with Think Progress it has a very good reputation.

About as good as yours.

K.


Yep State Rep. Todd Rutherford. And I would take the National Inquire over yours.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/15/2013 10:00:43 AM   
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And I would take the National Inquire over yours.

Heh. I believe you! By the way, you be sure and let me know when you learn how to spell it.

K.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/15/2013 11:46:39 AM   
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. . . you are turning this tragedy into a political issue . . .


I always baffled when people say that. If people see a political problem at the root of a given issue - and one that might be resolved by means of a political solution - why shouldn't they treat it as a political issue?

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/15/2013 12:32:14 PM   
Nosathro


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And I would take the National Inquire over yours.

Heh. I believe you! By the way, you be sure and let me know when you learn how to spell it.

K.

Oh come on you get bored if I spelled to your satisfaction. The only reason you read my post is to look for spelling errors.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/15/2013 1:10:48 PM   
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And I would take the National Inquire over yours.

Heh. I believe you! By the way, you be sure and let me know when you learn how to spell it.

K.

Oh come on you get bored if I spelled to your satisfaction. The only reason you read my post is to look for spelling errors.



At least you weren't ignored.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/15/2013 3:11:38 PM   
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. . . you are turning this tragedy into a political issue . . .


I always baffled when people say that. If people see a political problem at the root of a given issue - and one that might be resolved by means of a political solution - why shouldn't they treat it as a political issue?



If you have to edit a persons sentence to change the meaning to make your point, it probably isn't a very good point. And is rather intellectually dishonest.


But certainly, a person can go against the families stated wishes and try to make this about SYG(even though SYG was not part of the issue at all), if that's the sort of person they are. No one is stopping them. They don't even need to know the whole story before they use the grieving family to push an agenda, against the families will. But it would make that person a ghoulish asshole.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/15/2013 3:35:52 PM   
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. . . you are turning this tragedy into a political issue . . .


I always baffled when people say that. If people see a political problem at the root of a given issue - and one that might be resolved by means of a political solution - why shouldn't they treat it as a political issue?


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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/15/2013 4:25:15 PM   
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And proving my assertion that they do not think SYG is relevant to the case.

You can pretend otherwise if you want, disgusting as that is.






We understand that the stand your ground law has caused an uproar in our nation at this time, but we do not feel as if it is applicable to this case.

Seems to me that SYG was clearly part of the defence lawyers case, judged on the following.

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Scott's attorney, state Rep. Todd Rutherford, argued that the defendant's actions were protected under the Castle Doctrine, which states, in part, that a person in his or her own home or vehicle has no duty to retreat from an aggressor.

http://www.wistv.com/story/23657955/judge-man-who-shot-teen-thought-he-was-in-danger[/quote


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