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Actually Lucy is Canadian

Lmfao.........actually she isnt.

Actually her profile says she is. But maybe she is from someplace else and just residing there.

Ive stated in politics n religion alone that Im a brit, english or british, more than 15 times in 3 years.
Im also calling you on the BS that he pulled into the driveway.
greenvill reporting.....
Smith then saw Niles’ 1992 Honda, and, believing its occupants posed a danger, fired his gun from his front yard across the street, hitting Niles in the head with a .380 bullet, killing him instantly. No evidence indicated Niles was a threat to Scott or his daughter.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20131011/NEWS10/310110005/Immunity-granted-to-S-C-man-who-killed-unarmed-teen-in-stand-your-ground-case

WISTV says
Authorities say Smith then saw Niles' car and fired his gun from his front yard, hitting Niles, who was not armed, in the head.
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"It's not right; it's not right," said Niles. "Just to think he took my child's life away when my baby was helping his child get home."
AND the State
Scott went to his front yard after getting his daughter inside, and fired at Niles, who was in his own car (not the SUV) and was unarmed.
The daily mail says
The court heard that Scott meant to shoot at a car that was full of teenage girls who had threatened the life of his daughter and who drove past his house and fired shots.
Shot dead: 17-year-old Darrell Andre Niles was shot dead by Shannon Anthony Scott in April 2010
However, Scott returned fire and instead of hitting the girls, who shot Niles in the head.

The state , who has more info than any other

http://www.thestate.com/2013/08/16/2924473/is-shooting-a-bystander-in-south.html
According to all the evidence in a pre-trial hearing on the issue, Niles was across a street and in no way threatening Scott when the teen took a .380 bullet to the head in April 2010 near Scott’s house off Beltline Boulevard near Two Notch Road. He died almost instantly.

If Murphy grants immunity to Scott it would be “be the first time any state in this Union” has granted immunity for killing an innocent bystander in a Stand Your Ground case, 5th Circuit Assistant Solicitor April Sampson told Murphy.

“If this law were to be applied the way (Scott) wants to apply it, he could shoot a 4-year-old playing in her front yard and still be immune from prosecution,” Sampson said.

In an initial interview that night, Scott didn’t give officers his name, nor did he tell officers he had fired a gun that night, Sampson said.

And Sampson depicted Scott as a man primed to kill. “He had a sign in his window saying ‘Fight Crime – Shoot First.’”

But Rutherford said, “All we know is that Mr. Scott stood there in his yard, the only thing between his children and people intending to do them harm.”


http://www.thestate.com/2013/10/09/3029466/exclusive-father-not-charged-in.html

The case involved the 2010 shooting of Darrell Niles, 17, a Keenan High School student and basketball player, who was across the street in a car when Shannon Scott, then 33, fired his handgun.
Shortly before, an SUV filled with youths who had been threatening his 15-year-old daughter drove by his house and they fired shots, according to testimony in the case.
Smith then saw Niles’ 1992 Honda, and, believing its occupants posed a danger, fired his gun from his front yard across the street, hitting Niles in the head with a .380 bullet, killing him instantly. No evidence indicated Niles was a threat to Scott or his daughter.
During the hearing, Murphy heard conflicting testimony as to whether anyone fired at Scott while he was in his front yard that night.


http://www.thestate.com/2010/04/22/1254758_suspect-arrested-in-teens-shooting.html
Shannon Anthony Scott has been charged with murder, the Columbia Police Department reported. He turned himself in to investigators at police headquarters Wednesday afternoon.

Seventeen-year-old Darrell Andre Niles was found shot to death in his Honda Accord at 2:30 a.m. Sunday in the 1400 block of Bonner Avenue, the police said.

Scott is accused of firing several rounds from a handgun, hitting Niles in the head with one bullet, police said.

It was the fourth time since February that a young man has been found shot to death in a car in Columbia.


now where are your links/....
I have a couple more to show...seeing as you really do not seem to have all your facts lined up, IM really wanting to see where he was sposedly parked in the driveway.
you and powergamez have a huge lack of facts at your disposal and its really not helping your argument.

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And Sampson depicted Scott as a man primed to kill. “He had a sign in his window saying ‘Fight Crime – Shoot First.’”

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Actually her profile says she is. But maybe she is from someplace else and just residing there.

Ive stated in politics n religion alone that Im a brit, english or british, more than 15 times in 3 years.
Im also calling you on the BS that he pulled into the driveway.
greenvill reporting.....
Smith then saw Niles’ 1992 Honda, and, believing its occupants posed a danger, fired his gun from his front yard across the street, hitting Niles in the head with a .380 bullet, killing him instantly. No evidence indicated Niles was a threat to Scott or his daughter.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20131011/NEWS10/310110005/Immunity-granted-to-S-C-man-who-killed-unarmed-teen-in-stand-your-ground-case

WISTV says
Authorities say Smith then saw Niles' car and fired his gun from his front yard, hitting Niles, who was not armed, in the head.
and
"It's not right; it's not right," said Niles. "Just to think he took my child's life away when my baby was helping his child get home."
AND the State
Scott went to his front yard after getting his daughter inside, and fired at Niles, who was in his own car (not the SUV) and was unarmed.
The daily mail says
The court heard that Scott meant to shoot at a car that was full of teenage girls who had threatened the life of his daughter and who drove past his house and fired shots.
Shot dead: 17-year-old Darrell Andre Niles was shot dead by Shannon Anthony Scott in April 2010
However, Scott returned fire and instead of hitting the girls, who shot Niles in the head.

The state , who has more info than any other

http://www.thestate.com/2013/08/16/2924473/is-shooting-a-bystander-in-south.html
According to all the evidence in a pre-trial hearing on the issue, Niles was across a street and in no way threatening Scott when the teen took a .380 bullet to the head in April 2010 near Scott’s house off Beltline Boulevard near Two Notch Road. He died almost instantly.

If Murphy grants immunity to Scott it would be “be the first time any state in this Union” has granted immunity for killing an innocent bystander in a Stand Your Ground case, 5th Circuit Assistant Solicitor April Sampson told Murphy.

“If this law were to be applied the way (Scott) wants to apply it, he could shoot a 4-year-old playing in her front yard and still be immune from prosecution,” Sampson said.

In an initial interview that night, Scott didn’t give officers his name, nor did he tell officers he had fired a gun that night, Sampson said.

And Sampson depicted Scott as a man primed to kill. “He had a sign in his window saying ‘Fight Crime – Shoot First.’”

But Rutherford said, “All we know is that Mr. Scott stood there in his yard, the only thing between his children and people intending to do them harm.”


http://www.thestate.com/2013/10/09/3029466/exclusive-father-not-charged-in.html

The case involved the 2010 shooting of Darrell Niles, 17, a Keenan High School student and basketball player, who was across the street in a car when Shannon Scott, then 33, fired his handgun.
Shortly before, an SUV filled with youths who had been threatening his 15-year-old daughter drove by his house and they fired shots, according to testimony in the case.
Smith then saw Niles’ 1992 Honda, and, believing its occupants posed a danger, fired his gun from his front yard across the street, hitting Niles in the head with a .380 bullet, killing him instantly. No evidence indicated Niles was a threat to Scott or his daughter.
During the hearing, Murphy heard conflicting testimony as to whether anyone fired at Scott while he was in his front yard that night.


http://www.thestate.com/2010/04/22/1254758_suspect-arrested-in-teens-shooting.html
Shannon Anthony Scott has been charged with murder, the Columbia Police Department reported. He turned himself in to investigators at police headquarters Wednesday afternoon.

Seventeen-year-old Darrell Andre Niles was found shot to death in his Honda Accord at 2:30 a.m. Sunday in the 1400 block of Bonner Avenue, the police said.

Scott is accused of firing several rounds from a handgun, hitting Niles in the head with one bullet, police said.

It was the fourth time since February that a young man has been found shot to death in a car in Columbia.


now where are your links/....
I have a couple more to show...seeing as you really do not seem to have all your facts lined up, IM really wanting to see where he was sposedly parked in the driveway.
you and powergamez have a huge lack of facts at your disposal and its really not helping your argument.

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Actually her profile says she is. But maybe she is from someplace else and just residing there.

Ive stated in politics n religion alone that Im a brit, english or british, more than 15 times in 3 years.
Im also calling you on the BS that he pulled into the driveway.
greenvill reporting.....
Smith then saw Niles’ 1992 Honda, and, believing its occupants posed a danger, fired his gun from his front yard across the street, hitting Niles in the head with a .380 bullet, killing him instantly. No evidence indicated Niles was a threat to Scott or his daughter.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20131011/NEWS10/310110005/Immunity-granted-to-S-C-man-who-killed-unarmed-teen-in-stand-your-ground-case

WISTV says
Authorities say Smith then saw Niles' car and fired his gun from his front yard, hitting Niles, who was not armed, in the head.
and
"It's not right; it's not right," said Niles. "Just to think he took my child's life away when my baby was helping his child get home."
AND the State
Scott went to his front yard after getting his daughter inside, and fired at Niles, who was in his own car (not the SUV) and was unarmed.
The daily mail says
The court heard that Scott meant to shoot at a car that was full of teenage girls who had threatened the life of his daughter and who drove past his house and fired shots.
Shot dead: 17-year-old Darrell Andre Niles was shot dead by Shannon Anthony Scott in April 2010
However, Scott returned fire and instead of hitting the girls, who shot Niles in the head.

The state , who has more info than any other

http://www.thestate.com/2013/08/16/2924473/is-shooting-a-bystander-in-south.html
According to all the evidence in a pre-trial hearing on the issue, Niles was across a street and in no way threatening Scott when the teen took a .380 bullet to the head in April 2010 near Scott’s house off Beltline Boulevard near Two Notch Road. He died almost instantly.

If Murphy grants immunity to Scott it would be “be the first time any state in this Union” has granted immunity for killing an innocent bystander in a Stand Your Ground case, 5th Circuit Assistant Solicitor April Sampson told Murphy.

“If this law were to be applied the way (Scott) wants to apply it, he could shoot a 4-year-old playing in her front yard and still be immune from prosecution,” Sampson said.

In an initial interview that night, Scott didn’t give officers his name, nor did he tell officers he had fired a gun that night, Sampson said.

And Sampson depicted Scott as a man primed to kill. “He had a sign in his window saying ‘Fight Crime – Shoot First.’”

But Rutherford said, “All we know is that Mr. Scott stood there in his yard, the only thing between his children and people intending to do them harm.”


http://www.thestate.com/2013/10/09/3029466/exclusive-father-not-charged-in.html

The case involved the 2010 shooting of Darrell Niles, 17, a Keenan High School student and basketball player, who was across the street in a car when Shannon Scott, then 33, fired his handgun.
Shortly before, an SUV filled with youths who had been threatening his 15-year-old daughter drove by his house and they fired shots, according to testimony in the case.
Smith then saw Niles’ 1992 Honda, and, believing its occupants posed a danger, fired his gun from his front yard across the street, hitting Niles in the head with a .380 bullet, killing him instantly. No evidence indicated Niles was a threat to Scott or his daughter.
During the hearing, Murphy heard conflicting testimony as to whether anyone fired at Scott while he was in his front yard that night.


http://www.thestate.com/2010/04/22/1254758_suspect-arrested-in-teens-shooting.html
Shannon Anthony Scott has been charged with murder, the Columbia Police Department reported. He turned himself in to investigators at police headquarters Wednesday afternoon.

Seventeen-year-old Darrell Andre Niles was found shot to death in his Honda Accord at 2:30 a.m. Sunday in the 1400 block of Bonner Avenue, the police said.

Scott is accused of firing several rounds from a handgun, hitting Niles in the head with one bullet, police said.

It was the fourth time since February that a young man has been found shot to death in a car in Columbia.


now where are your links/....
I have a couple more to show...seeing as you really do not seem to have all your facts lined up, IM really wanting to see where he was sposedly parked in the driveway.
you and powergamez have a huge lack of facts at your disposal and its really not helping your argument.

Every news story says something different happened.
The only person with a mass of verified facts is the judge.
Isn't there some remote chance that the judge has some idea of what he is doing?
The outrage should be that these girls haven't been hunted down and charged, their crime set things in motion and every thing else is a Red Herring.

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This isnt about the girls who started it, thats just your continued red herring to deflect the blame from where it belongs.


Absolute proof you do not understand American law.

Who cares? I'm much more interested in how it can happen that some retarded idiot and/or fruitcake can blow away the life of an innocent man and not even be brought to court over it. Have you *any idea at all* of how insane that looks to anyone outside of the USA?

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This isnt about the girls who started it, thats just your continued red herring to deflect the blame from where it belongs.


Absolute proof you do not understand American law.

Who cares? I'm much more interested in how it can happen that some retarded idiot and/or fruitcake can blow away the life of an innocent man and not even be brought to court over it. Have you *any idea at all* of how insane that looks to anyone outside of the USA?

Probably also inside the usa if it is reported in national media, I don't understand this need of dicotomy that can't go past hero and villain categories, a jakass is such even with a CC permit.

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This isnt about the girls who started it, thats just your continued red herring to deflect the blame from where it belongs.


Absolute proof you do not understand American law.

Who cares? I'm much more interested in how it can happen that some retarded idiot and/or fruitcake can blow away the life of an innocent man and not even be brought to court over it. Have you *any idea at all* of how insane that looks to anyone outside of the USA?

Probably also inside the usa if it is reported in national media, I don't understand this need of dicotomy that can't go past hero and villain categories, a jakass is such even with a CC permit.

It is about the girls why can't some people understand this?

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Shortly before the shooting, an SUV filled with young people who had threatened Scott's teenage daughter drove by his house and fired shots. Authorities say Smith then saw Niles' car and fired his gun from his front yard, hitting Niles, who was not armed, in the head. << Now ypou will be telling me the authorities are also wrong.


I missed the part were they said he fired at Neil.
Oh yes that is because it isn't there.

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Two cars come by shots are fired at you, you return fire, and you are to assume second car just followed your daughter home for purely innocent reasons ?

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And Sampson depicted Scott as a man primed to kill. “He had a sign in his window saying ‘Fight Crime – Shoot First.’”


Such an incredible leap in logic as to defy belief.

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And Sampson depicted Scott as a man primed to kill. “He had a sign in his window saying ‘Fight Crime – Shoot First.’”


Such an incredible leap in logic as to defy belief.

What would you suggest "fight crime - shoot first" actually suggests ?

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It is about the girls why can't some people understand this?

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It is about the girls why can't some people understand this?

Political debate fundamentals: All contestants in a political debate try to define the grounds on which that debate should take place. (Some people even claim that their view isn't 'political' at all, as we've already seen). So the debate of this thread only focuses on the girls for those who want it to focus on the girls.

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Do you have any idea how insane it seems to Americans not to focus on the instigators of the violence.
Had they not done so there would have been no situation.

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I just wonder if another law abiding gun owner saw you have a gun while walking near him, how much reasonable doubt do you think he should give you before fearing for himself killing you?

I would have to do something hostile toward him like demand his money or threaten him.
Contrary to what most Europeans have been led to believe there is a standard of threat needed to claim self defense. Being shot at as in this case fills the bill.

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I just wonder if another law abiding gun owner saw you have a gun while walking near him, how much reasonable doubt do you think he should give you before fearing for himself killing you?

I would have to do something hostile toward him like demand his money or threaten him.
Contrary to what most Europeans have been led to believe there is a standard of threat needed to claim self defense. Being shot at as in this case fills the bill.

I quoted south carolina law some posts ago, so I'm sure there is, I don't understand how a car driving on a road or parked on the other side of the road can be so much out of ordinary to be a reasonable threat. You say the judge has more details, but for what I read there are so many different versions given by the witnesses that the judge belived proof were not enought to support a trial, also due to how the statute is written.
In this case it sounds more like a tecnicality than a costitutional right, and even if the conduct of this person was in the limits on a legal base, he was way over the limit from a moral point of view, so in the end of the story he killed one of his doughter friends that she called for help, it's true that no good deed goes unpunished.