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BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/17/2013 5:12:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic to be fair, DTTP, Bama is NOT justice or Law in the USA:) And as there are few other people trying to argue the points he is... I give the benefit of the doubt to the rest of the country:) The rest of the Americans seem to have given up on trying to talk sense into you all knowing Europeans.

PeonForHer -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/17/2013 5:12:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Man defends his family the wrong person gets caught in the crossfire and instead of going after the attacker you persecute the homeowner, this is what passes for justice in England? Me, I just find it revolting that anyone could pass off the death of an innocent as a result of 'crossfire'. Like, people blowing their guns off all over the place is somehow normal behaviour - move swiftly beyond that sort of thing, which is as natural as the weather - and talk about who's righteous and who isn't. It isn't "normal" and "natural". "Crossfire" is what happens only in a fucked up social system that has arse-licked the gun lobby too much and for far too long. Allowing people to go outside and blast away with firearms is just primitive, Bama. A grown-up society just doesn't condone that kind of behaviour. In a grown up society people - all people - would be shocked at even seeing a man standing in the street with a gun aimed at someone.

Politesub53 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/17/2013 5:19:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD This is a blatant lie, This is a blatant violation of TOS and no I didn't file a complaint Nope, showing a blatant lie to be a lie and saying so doesnt violate the TOS. It is a statement about a false claim made during a debate. Come on the real point is that you are above the rules they only count for the peasants. I have moved your remark to its right spot, because you fucked up your quote. You have stated I am above the rules, so go complain to Alpha or shut the fuck up....... Rules count for all of us, peasants included, to use your words.

Politesub53 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/17/2013 5:22:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Cultural thing proclaiming belief in self defense with a little humor. And he didn't shoot first. More obtuse nonsense. The family statement clearly quotes Scotts roommate, who says Scott went outside and two shots were fired, one from nearby and one from afar. This ties in with a quote in statement, made by one of the girls in the car. She clearly tells the police she was in the car, heard a shot and fired into the air. Hearsay. Yep the girls are going to say we are guilty as sin. What........ The authorities version is hearsay ....................... what a fucking hoot.

Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/17/2013 5:27:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic to be fair, DTTP, Bama is NOT justice or Law in the USA:) And as there are few other people trying to argue the points he is... I give the benefit of the doubt to the rest of the country:) The rest of the Americans seem to have given up on trying to talk sense into you all knowing Europeans. bollox,

Phydeaux -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/17/2013 10:04:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Man defends his family the wrong person gets caught in the crossfire and instead of going after the attacker you persecute the homeowner, this is what passes for justice in England? Me, I just find it revolting that anyone could pass off the death of an innocent as a result of 'crossfire'. Like, people blowing their guns off all over the place is somehow normal behaviour - move swiftly beyond that sort of thing, which is as natural as the weather - and talk about who's righteous and who isn't. It isn't "normal" and "natural". "Crossfire" is what happens only in a fucked up social system that has arse-licked the gun lobby too much and for far too long. Allowing people to go outside and blast away with firearms is just primitive, Bama. A grown-up society just doesn't condone that kind of behaviour. In a grown up society people - all people - would be shocked at even seeing a man standing in the street with a gun aimed at someone. Funny. I didn't hear Bama "passing off" the death of a girl. I don't think anyone wants the death of innocent people Peon - and it is rather uncouth to suggest Bama does. Kind of like your insinuation about Mengele. We that support gunrights do so - warts and all - because we believe Mao. "Power flows from the mouth of a gun". We tolerate, sadly, the death of innocents as a necessary cost to prevent the massive loss of life that occurs by state sanctioned violence. Mao - 40 million. Stalin - 40 million Hitler - 30 million Khmer rouge 8 million Darfour Ruanda Armenia ... if you total up the death by political persecution - the total dwarfs the accidental deaths by gun violence. Would hitler have exterminated the jews if they had guns - and used them? Would stalin have killed the peasants by famine if they had had guns - and used them? Tyrants prey upon the powerless...

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/17/2013 10:28:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Cultural thing proclaiming belief in self defense with a little humor. And he didn't shoot first. More obtuse nonsense. The family statement clearly quotes Scotts roommate, who says Scott went outside and two shots were fired, one from nearby and one from afar. This ties in with a quote in statement, made by one of the girls in the car. She clearly tells the police she was in the car, heard a shot and fired into the air. Hearsay. Yep the girls are going to say we are guilty as sin. What........ The authorities version is hearsay ....................... what a fucking hoot. We don't have the authorities version just what people who are not the authorities and certainly with an ax to grind say the authorities say.

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/17/2013 10:40:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Cultural thing proclaiming belief in self defense with a little humor. And he didn't shoot first. More obtuse nonsense. The family statement clearly quotes Scotts roommate, who says Scott went outside and two shots were fired, one from nearby and one from afar. This ties in with a quote in statement, made by one of the girls in the car. She clearly tells the police she was in the car, heard a shot and fired into the air. Hearsay. Yep the girls are going to say we are guilty as sin. What........ The authorities version is hearsay ....................... what a fucking hoot. For example the alleged statement by the roommate. You have heard of acoustics haven't you? Then you would know that a gun fired away from you isn't as loud as one fired toward you. This means that what the roommate said was the close shot was fired toward the house and the one that sounded further away would have been fired away from the house. In case you lost tract that means the girls shot first. Everything you claim to be the authorities version is filtered through both a still grieving family people feeding them the parts that make him sound worse. They don't have the judges ruling they have statement that were supposedly made. Many self serving. The authorities version will not be available until the entire judges ruling is released. Not only this but the mother said these were things that the court needed to consider so we are back to hearsay.

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/17/2013 10:42:57 PM)
I didn't hear Bama "passing off" the death of a girl He ignores the fact that I have said the opposite repeatedly throughout this thread but it doesn't fit his myopic view of the U S gun owner.

eulero83 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/18/2013 12:22:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 I told you, I'm sure for the SC's law he was justified, but that doesn't change the fact he acted like an irresponsible jackass from the beginning, and the law allowed him to do it, that should be quite disturbing. I know you don't care what other country do but making clear you just can't act like john wayne in his movies seems the lowest bar to me, but it seems that critizeing john wayne characters' ways is un-american so... You see that he didn't break the law but we should punish him anyway? If they had driven by and shouted insults he would be in jail. There is white, there is black and there are infinite shades of gray, he was for sure in a very dark legal gray area even for the SC law, so he's not the picture of honesty and rightness he is a jackass with a good lawyer, in a very permissive state when it comes to self defence, that did something not necessary and killed someone who was there to help. What you should understand is for many people this is not different from the case in UAE where the norwegian girl reported a rape and ended up in jail, it was the law there but I dare you to say it is a fair law. This case show how some of the united states are starting a "new wild west", have fun.

eulero83 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/18/2013 12:32:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Would hitler have exterminated the jews if they had guns - and used them? Would stalin have killed the peasants by famine if they had had guns - and used them? first question the answer is: JA second question the answer is: да edit: than said from a country with the right to bear arm didn't stopped to put citizens of asian origins in concentration camps or jim crow laws is just absurd

Politesub53 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/18/2013 2:25:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD We don't have the authorities version just what people who are not the authorities and certainly with an ax to grind say the authorities say. More bullshit from you. It is odious to suggest the family of a murdered man have an axe to grind, when they openly quote police evidence. Anyhow, Lucy and I have both quoted an alternative source. http://www.thestate.com/2013/08/16/2924473/is-shooting-a-bystander-in-south.html http://www.wistv.com/story/23657955/judge-man-who-shot-teen-thought-he-was-in-danger

Politesub53 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/18/2013 2:30:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD For example the alleged statement by the roommate. You have heard of acoustics haven't you? Then you would know that a gun fired away from you isn't as loud as one fired toward you. This means that what the roommate said was the close shot was fired toward the house and the one that sounded further away would have been fired away from the house. In case you lost tract that means the girls shot first. Everything you claim to be the authorities version is filtered through both a still grieving family people feeding them the parts that make him sound worse. They don't have the judges ruling they have statement that were supposedly made. Many self serving. The authorities version will not be available until the entire judges ruling is released. Not only this but the mother said these were things that the court needed to consider so we are back to hearsay. Yeah yeah, Scotts own roommate is wrong, the family are wrong, the press are wrong, WISTV are wrong, I am spouting hearsay, while you are given us the one twu version of events...... [8\|] Fucking laughable.

Nosathro -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/18/2013 8:38:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Man defends his family the wrong person gets caught in the crossfire and instead of going after the attacker you persecute the homeowner, this is what passes for justice in England? Me, I just find it revolting that anyone could pass off the death of an innocent as a result of 'crossfire'. Like, people blowing their guns off all over the place is somehow normal behaviour - move swiftly beyond that sort of thing, which is as natural as the weather - and talk about who's righteous and who isn't. It isn't "normal" and "natural". "Crossfire" is what happens only in a fucked up social system that has arse-licked the gun lobby too much and for far too long. Allowing people to go outside and blast away with firearms is just primitive, Bama. A grown-up society just doesn't condone that kind of behaviour. In a grown up society people - all people - would be shocked at even seeing a man standing in the street with a gun aimed at someone. Funny. I didn't hear Bama "passing off" the death of a girl. I don't think anyone wants the death of innocent people Peon - and it is rather uncouth to suggest Bama does. Kind of like your insinuation about Mengele. We that support gunrights do so - warts and all - because we believe Mao. "Power flows from the mouth of a gun". We tolerate, sadly, the death of innocents as a necessary cost to prevent the massive loss of life that occurs by state sanctioned violence. Mao - 40 million. Stalin - 40 million Hitler - 30 million Khmer rouge 8 million Darfour Ruanda Armenia ... if you total up the death by political persecution - the total dwarfs the accidental deaths by gun violence. Would hitler have exterminated the jews if they had guns - and used them? Would stalin have killed the peasants by famine if they had had guns - and used them? Tyrants prey upon the powerless... I did a little research on rebellions in the US outside of the Civil War, we had 3 large scale one, John Brown at Harper Ferry is well know and we know what happen. Then some 4,000 rebels in what was called "Shay's Rebellion of which after a few rounds of government grape shot from their cannons the rebel either surrendered or ran, some 30 rebels were either killed or wounded no government forces were scratched. Then the Whiskey Rebellion were some 7,000 farmers took up arms of a new Whiskey tax. Washington took command of a force of some 13,000 ill equipped force, some did not even have a musket or rifle and when the rebels saw them coming surrendered without a shot being fired. Washington later became the countries #1 Whiskey maker. So Tyrants prey upon the powerless? yeah right. Oh Stalin and Hitler were elected. Mao was popular with the people. Kirata spell check please.

Kirata -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/18/2013 8:56:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Kirata spell check please. I'll make you a deal. You correct the grammar and syntax first -- you know, to make it English? Then I'll get right on the spelling for ya. K.

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/18/2013 9:36:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 I told you, I'm sure for the SC's law he was justified, but that doesn't change the fact he acted like an irresponsible jackass from the beginning, and the law allowed him to do it, that should be quite disturbing. I know you don't care what other country do but making clear you just can't act like john wayne in his movies seems the lowest bar to me, but it seems that critizeing john wayne characters' ways is un-american so... You see that he didn't break the law but we should punish him anyway? If they had driven by and shouted insults he would be in jail. There is white, there is black and there are infinite shades of gray, he was for sure in a very dark legal gray area even for the SC law, so he's not the picture of honesty and rightness he is a jackass with a good lawyer, in a very permissive state when it comes to self defence, that did something not necessary and killed someone who was there to help. What you should understand is for many people this is not different from the case in UAE where the norwegian girl reported a rape and ended up in jail, it was the law there but I dare you to say it is a fair law. This case show how some of the united states are starting a "new wild west", have fun. What you should understand is that they are wrong. In fact the person who followed the law is the one many people want locked up. So persecuting Scott is doing the same thing the UAE did.

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/18/2013 9:40:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD We don't have the authorities version just what people who are not the authorities and certainly with an ax to grind say the authorities say. More bullshit from you. It is odious to suggest the family of a murdered man have an axe to grind, when they openly quote police evidence. Anyhow, Lucy and I have both quoted an alternative source. http://www.thestate.com/2013/08/16/2924473/is-shooting-a-bystander-in-south.html http://www.wistv.com/story/23657955/judge-man-who-shot-teen-thought-he-was-in-danger I said a grieving family fed evidence by people with an ax to grind. She said quite clearly that she wants a trial so these things can be taken into consideration. The authorities view is clearly that he didn't commit a crime, thus his immunity.

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/18/2013 9:42:52 AM)
we had 3 large scale one, John Brown at Harper Ferry is well know and we know what happen. Less than 40 men is a large scale uprising?

Phydeaux -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/18/2013 10:35:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 There is white, there is black and there are infinite shades of gray, . I'm informed there are 50. Fifty shades of gray.

Phydeaux -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/18/2013 10:38:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Would hitler have exterminated the jews if they had guns - and used them? Would stalin have killed the peasants by famine if they had had guns - and used them? first question the answer is: JA second question the answer is: да edit: than said from a country with the right to bear arm didn't stopped to put citizens of asian origins in concentration camps or jim crow laws is just absurd Perfectly proving my point: blacks did not have guns. And if the Asians did, they chose not to use them. Having guns is not proof against all societal ills. It doesn't automatically win against tyranny, either. Without France, who knows if this republic would have been born. But it does give you a tool to stop some kinds of tyranny, some of the time.

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