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BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/18/2013 8:13:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Thats funny cos I posted where his criminal court records are...pretty much figure you have to know what town/city he is in to do that...

Could you give me the post # ?




Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/18/2013 8:20:31 PM)

post 185
and you posted columbia, sc, and richland county...




BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/18/2013 8:24:40 PM)

thank you.




eulero83 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 1:58:42 AM)

FR

I just read this Mr. Scott court records... "fight crime shoot first" was sarcasm?




Politesub53 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 4:48:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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lovmuffin :

It's also interesting to note that 20 or so years of gun control initiated by dushebag British politicians had effectively disarmed its citizens. Americans stepped up to fill the void sending arms and ammo to the British citizens as they were in fear of a Nazi invasion.


Typical bullshit post. There were no small arms exchanged until after the fall of France. Most British equimpent had been abandoned prior to then, during the evacuation from Dunkirk.


I call bullshit on your bullshit.

William Tell overture please, third movement.......

NRA to the rescue.


".........National Rifle Association opposed gun registration at the time and still does. The American Riflemen for February 1942 reported:
........During the war years the (American) Rifleman (magazine) (NRA monthly publication) regularly included pleas for American sportsmen to "send a gun to defend a British home.......British civilians, faced with the threat of invasion, desperately need arms for the defense of their homes." Indeed, the New York Times carried the same solicitations. After two decades of gun control, British citizens now desperately needed rifles and pistols in their homes, and they received the gifts with great appreciation. Organized into the Home Guard, armed citizens were now ready to resist the expected Nazi onslaught."


http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/registration_article/registration.html



"The U.S. National Rifle Association collected and shipped large numbers of privately donated rifles for use by the Home Guard. These were collected and destroyed after the war."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Guard_(United_Kingdom)

Click on "equipment and training"

Then whadahya do ?? You guys fucking destroy the guns we sent you after the war was over ???

It doesn't surprise me anymore that you guys drive on the wrong side of the road. [8D]




Hey brains........ did you miss the part where I gave dates. When I was at school 1940 always came before 1942. You also seem to be having trouble with the words "War was over".... It must have been the four letter word that stumped you...... O-V-E-R




Politesub53 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 4:51:11 AM)

Got to say I loved the idea of the NRA being used as an unbiased source. [sm=donttaseme.gif]




Politesub53 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 4:59:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

Has anyone seen what city this happened in?
Just realized that I haven't seen the city mentioned in one article.
Doesn't mean it isn't in one just haven't seen it.
Strange


Post #372---- Either link, first word of the text... Columbia

I am wondering why you keep telling me my facts are hearsay, if you havent read the links ?




eulero83 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 7:58:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

What I meant is for our culture not prosecuting a person that shoots random cars driving/parked on a public road is like not prosecuting the rapist in UAE because he was justified under sharia's law. He took unnecessary risks and ended up killing an innocent person.

It was obvious what you meant but the idea of locking up the person who didn't commit a crime is the closer comparison.


I repeate the fact there is no law to prevent a person who collected 7 years of jail time convictions for illegal carry of handguns, illegal guns trade, drug possession with intention of distribution, handling stolen goods, stolen car possession, driving under suspension and domestic violence, to have a gun and just walk in an open area and shoot in the road to every passing car killing an innocent bystander and lie to police when qquestioned (I wonder why if he was so sure his actions were right) is absurd, insane and unfair. But if you feel safer for that way, organize posses and just kill anybody on the road seems suspect.

edit: he broke a law for any kind of crime: property, violent, drug, guns, traffic...




lovmuffin -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 10:21:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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lovmuffin :

It's also interesting to note that 20 or so years of gun control initiated by dushebag British politicians had effectively disarmed its citizens. Americans stepped up to fill the void sending arms and ammo to the British citizens as they were in fear of a Nazi invasion.


Typical bullshit post. There were no small arms exchanged until after the fall of France. Most British equimpent had been abandoned prior to then, during the evacuation from Dunkirk.


I call bullshit on your bullshit.

William Tell overture please, third movement.......

NRA to the rescue.


".........National Rifle Association opposed gun registration at the time and still does. The American Riflemen for February 1942 reported:
........During the war years the (American) Rifleman (magazine) (NRA monthly publication) regularly included pleas for American sportsmen to "send a gun to defend a British home.......British civilians, faced with the threat of invasion, desperately need arms for the defense of their homes." Indeed, the New York Times carried the same solicitations. After two decades of gun control, British citizens now desperately needed rifles and pistols in their homes, and they received the gifts with great appreciation. Organized into the Home Guard, armed citizens were now ready to resist the expected Nazi onslaught."


http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/registration_article/registration.html



"The U.S. National Rifle Association collected and shipped large numbers of privately donated rifles for use by the Home Guard. These were collected and destroyed after the war."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Guard_(United_Kingdom)

Click on "equipment and training"

Then whadahya do ?? You guys fucking destroy the guns we sent you after the war was over ???

It doesn't surprise me anymore that you guys drive on the wrong side of the road. [8D]




Hey brains........ did you miss the part where I gave dates. When I was at school 1940 always came before 1942. You also seem to be having trouble with the words "War was over".... It must have been the four letter word that stumped you...... O-V-E-R



No I didn't miss it Mr Genius. So what, who cares what the dates were ? I even read the part where you stated British equipment was abandoned, and again, so what ? It has nothing to do with the point and the fact that civilians were unarmed mostly because of your stupid gun control.

I know what O-V-E-R means and once again, so what ? The point was, and I apologize for not spelling it out for you, that not only did you go back to the same stupid gun control that required the need for Americans to send guns, but on top of that you destroyed them. To destroy perfectly good firearms is just about the most illogical, irrational, asinine misguided foolishness there is on the face of the earth.





lovmuffin -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 10:24:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Got to say I loved the idea of the NRA being used as an unbiased source. [sm=donttaseme.gif]


Got to say you obviously didn't read or even click on the links.




Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 11:47:12 AM)

To declare
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: To destroy perfectly good firearms is just about the most illogical, irrational, asinine misguided foolishness there is on the face of the earth.

Is far worse,to any regular person, I would hope.




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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Hey brains........ did you miss the part where I gave dates. When I was at school 1940 always came before 1942. You also seem to be having trouble with the words "War was over".... It must have been the four letter word that stumped you...... O-V-E-R






lovmuffin -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 12:16:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

To declare
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: To destroy perfectly good firearms is just about the most illogical, irrational, asinine misguided foolishness there is on the face of the earth.

Is far worse,to any regular person, I would hope.


Who died and made you an expert on what a regular person is ? Maybe to you, the collection of firearms, from civilians who were prepared and then ready to sacrifice their lives to defend the country with them, only to destroy them is rational and normal. I disagree. At least they could have sent them back to where they came with a thank you note.




Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 12:26:22 PM)

its called having a opinion...i didnt state anything about the situation, just that the comment was, sadly one of the dumbest Ive seen in a long time, n that is saying something.
can you actually get back to the topic, or are you stuck in the 40s




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 12:43:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

To declare
quote:

: To destroy perfectly good firearms is just about the most illogical, irrational, asinine misguided foolishness there is on the face of the earth.

Is far worse,to any regular person, I would hope.


Who died and made you an expert on what a regular person is ? Maybe to you, the collection of firearms, from civilians who were prepared and then ready to sacrifice their lives to defend the country with them, only to destroy them is rational and normal. I disagree. At least they could have sent them back to where they came with a thank you note.


The guns didn't come from civillians, they were military supplies, not personal firearms.

And, by not returning them, we were hoping your gun-toting and illogical obsession with personal firearms might subside and make you see some real common sense.
Sadly, we couldn't do that and since then we see countless thousands every day being slaughtered by civilians with guns.

You only have to compare the numbers (deaths per 100,00 of population) -
UK: 0.25 (strict gun control)
Australia: 1.06 (strict gun control)
USA: 10.3 (no gun control)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

So the USA is 41x more dangerous with guns than the UK without them.
Take your pick; I know where the more rational decision was made.




lovmuffin -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 1:16:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

its called having a opinion...i didnt state anything about the situation, just that the comment was, sadly one of the dumbest Ive seen in a long time, n that is saying something.
can you actually get back to the topic, or are you stuck in the 40s


I thought my opinion on the matter was logical though maybe a bit overstated, certainly not dumb. I have the impression you don't particularly like guns so I understand how you might see it that way. I assure you, other than the kinky stuff I'm perfectly normal. [8D]

I'm not sure how the topic got to where it was but it somehow ended up in the 40's. I will concur with your opinion on OP and this thread with the understanding I could change my mind based on information we don't have yet. I don't have a problem with self defense, SYG or whatever but those who use a firearm for self defense shouldn't be shooting into any ol' car coming down the street or missing their target hitting innocents, and that includes the police. If his daughter and friend were safely in the house he should have put them in a secure place, safe as possible from gunfire, and not run out of the house shootin up the neighborhood. Based on the information you quoted from your links, I would have to question the judges logic and how its SYG or what he says it is, whatever that is, and I would probably say the guy should at the very least be civilly liable if not criminally too. He's probably a hot head fucking idiot who shouldn't be in possession of a slingshot.




PeonForHer -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 1:20:14 PM)

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USA: 10.3 (no gun control)


Ouch! Now you're in for it, FD. *No* gun control? Charlton Heston will be revolving in his grave. [;)]




lovmuffin -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 2:44:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Freedomwarf1

The guns didn't come from civillians, they were military supplies, not personal firearms.


From one of the links: ".....During the war years the (American) Rifleman (magazine) (NRA monthly publication) regularly included pleas for *American sportsmen* to "send a gun to defend a British home...... Indeed, the New York Times carried the same solicitations."

From the other link:

"The U.S. National Rifle Association collected and shipped large numbers of *privately donated* rifles for use by the Home Guard. These were collected and destroyed after the war."

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ORIGINAL:



And, by not returning them, we were hoping your gun-toting and illogical obsession with personal firearms might subside and make you see some real common sense.
Sadly, we couldn't do that and since then we see countless thousands every day being slaughtered by civilians with guns.

You only have to compare the numbers (deaths per 100,00 of population) -
UK: 0.25 (strict gun control)
Australia: 1.06 (strict gun control)
USA: 10.3 (no gun control)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

So the USA is 41x more dangerous with guns than the UK without them.
Take your pick; I know where the more rational decision was


Oh thank you Oh Wise One for trying to show us the right way to do things by not returning the guns, if indeed that's the case. Or maybe it just shows your own pompous ass irrational way of thinking.

I don't really give a rats ass about your gun control or your statistics. If you're happy with it, I'm tickled pink. You can have your cameras on every street corner too. I don't want them either. There was a time 30 or more years ago, here in the USA, that we didn't have a gun problem we have now and we had more guns per capita back then. There is a whole lot more to the gun problem than just gun availability.

The countless civilians being slaughtered are mostly drug gang related idiots shooting each other. And the way you use the term obsession is highly exaggerated. We don't display an obsession with guns until some crooked politician starts trying to take them away.


The next time your countrymen need firearms in an emergency, I'll think twice before making any donations. Can you possibly comprehend that last little bit of logic.








Kirata -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 3:03:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

The next time your countrymen need firearms in an emergency, I'll think twice before making any donations.

Well if they should ever think they need firearms, they're obviously mistaken and have simply forgotten the wisdom that caused them to be rid of them in the first place. I think we should try to help them recover their senses, not just stiff them. Maybe we could ship them some nice posters, for example. Enough of these should get them back on track and solve the problem.

[image]http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/no-guns-icon.jpg[/image]

K.




PeonForHer -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/19/2013 3:13:30 PM)

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To destroy perfectly good firearms is just about the most illogical, irrational, asinine misguided foolishness there is on the face of the earth.


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To destroy perfectly good human lives is just about the most illogical, irrational, asinine misguided foolishness there is on the face of the earth.


OK, in light of the thread-title, to recall: "Innocent bystander killed in SYG case" - which one of the above statements rings the more true - yours, the first one - or the second?

Just a thought. ;-)




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