JeffBC
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could you pease define what you mean by "subsequent crime that will ensue?"
I'm saying your first option... an otherwise moral person when pushed to extreme will become immoral. Let me just sign myself right up for that. If I had freely chosen to not buy medical insurance and my wife was dying I'd do whatever I could, legal or otherwise, in an attempt to save her.
I guess the question for me is this, should we all give up some of our liberty, our freedom of choice, because some small percantage of people MIGHT commit desperate acts? please do keep in mind, this factor, when this all began they claimed there were some 30 milion people uninsured, that roughly 10% of the population, if 1/2 of those people end up in this desperate situation, (come on we can't assume EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO GET CANCER) and then 1/2 of those people choose to commit a desperate act you are left with 2.5% of the population that MIGHT commit a desperate act.
That's not bad. I can live with that. So we turn down care to those without insurance and deal with whatever negative repercussions in terms of desperate acts might result. So I'd be fine with removing the mandate part of this so long as we also remove any mandate or expectation that a hospital provide emergency room treatment for the uninsured.
you people want a SOLUTION, well there it is, what are they going to do if 100 million people swamp local police stations.
First of all, I'm not sure who "you people" are in this context. But yeah, I personally like answers to be thought out beyond step 1. That being said, I like your answer... granted, I prefer a more humane answer but I can live with the "let them die in the streets" option. The simple answer to your next question is the same reasoning as you provided.... we will handle the law breakers by trying and convicting them. We will build prisons as required to hold the criminals in question. I find it debatable that 100 million people would choose to go to prison as you yourself would. I would hope that those with children would consider options other than prison.
you all want to pretend that this isn't JUST THE BEGINING of gov't forcing us to do whateve they want, but I guarentee you if you had asked my gandfather when he was alive if THIS could EVER EVER HAPPEN in the USA, he would have LAUGHED AT YOU!
Again, I'm a bit unclear who "you all" are in this sentence but I detect a bit of foaming at the mouth. Does it help you any to know that I agree with the idea of limited government intrusion? I'm fine with ripping away all the social safety nets so long as we do it openly and with eyes open regarding the consequences.
you probably think thats JUST AS FUNNY as my gandpa would have thought OBAMACARE is!
no, I don't think it's funny in an era where we have abrogated the rule of law entirely and massive and massively intrusive state surveillance of EVERYONE is the norm. What I do think is pretty funny though is your own ideological blinders and the ensuing mouth foaming. Now I have another question since your'e so big on personal freedom. I would like the freedom to not bomb random other nations and not pay for the military infrastructure required to do so. In your vision of proper government should I have the option of opting out of that and similar programs (like say the NSA and DHS as a whole) that I personally find distasteful?
I personally think that might be very interesting. I've often wondered what would happen if we presented a simplified budget at the end of your tax form where citizens could individually assign percentages of their taxes for different categories. Then the individuals would be able to say "here's how I want my money spent" and if war and killing people was attractive enough we'd do it. Otherwise, we wouldn't. Ditto with everything else.
The only thing I'd exempt from that would be things like SSI where it really IS an entitlement (eg: we all paid for it already therefore we are entitled to it).
< Message edited by JeffBC -- 10/23/2013 10:48:45 AM >
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