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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 9:23:44 AM   
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Bullshit. The only time I say someone is racist in regards to Obama is when it is ridiculous irrational stuff like this.


How do you know this has anything to do with his race, Ken?


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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 9:27:02 AM   
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Bullshit. The only time I say someone is racist in regards to Obama is when it is ridiculous irrational stuff like this.


How do you know this has anything to do with his race, Ken?


Pretty obvious isn't it? Calling him gay or a foreigner is an attempt to get others to agree that is he is an "other" which the originator of these claims already feels he is. Since he is a centrist person with a very American story there must be another factor making the people starting these rumors feel he is an "other."

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 9:32:16 AM   
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Boi, first, half the country? May I point out that a majority voted for Obama twice?

May I also point out that the majority of conservatives in this country believe that what Fox, Beck and Rush say is the Gospel truth?

May I also point out that when FOX or beck and rush are proven wrong, independently by organizations that fact check both sides, it is always claimed to be liberal misinformation?

My point being, is simple, if a group does not condemn the statements that are clearly absurd and without merit, or actions that border on bigotry, then guilt by association applies.

This is true for the Germans that did not support Hitler, but did nothing to stop him, the man who stood and watched a mob of KKK members drag a black man out of his house and hang him while protesting he is not racist.

Ever time something like this comes up, is it better to attack the one who posted it, or address the fallacies of the people that present it as the truth?

I dont care if half the country disagrees with me, considering that I am against a lot on the liberal side of the fence, I would say more than half. However, consider the actions of the conservatives in congress, they have voted how many times to repeal the Affordable Care Act? They shutdown the government when they could not get Obama to agree to defunding the Affordable Care Act.

I have heard that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. How many times does the conservatives have to try and defund or repeal Obama care before they figure out it is not going to happen as long as he or a democrat is in office?

As for the liberals, when the hell are they going to figure out if you raise taxes to cut the deficit, you cannot increase spending in other areas, it defeats the purpose.

Fact Obama care is a clusterfuck.

Fact, Obama went to congress and told them to come up with a health care plan and he would sign it, instead of putting what he wanted in some sort of intelligent argument backed by medical and other professionals in the health field, thus making Obama an idiot.

Fact what Obama said he wanted in his campaign is not what we got, it is not even close to what we got.

Fact attacking Obama on place of birth, calling him a gay coke head, or anything that is not even remotely connected with his programs is just stupid, if not insane.

It makes as much sense as the arguments that a Bush ancestor stole the skull of Geronimo from the grave on the Fort Sill reservation to put in the Skull and Bones temple or whatever it is called, or bringing up the fact that prior to our entry in WW2, the Bush family had dealings with Nazi Germany. None of that had a damn thing to do with Bush's presidency or anything else. Neither did the fact that he was a recovering alcoholic.

That crap was as insane as this crap is.

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 10:15:56 AM   
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Bullshit. The only time I say someone is racist in regards to Obama is when it is ridiculous irrational stuff like this.

How do you know this has anything to do with his race, Ken?

Pretty obvious isn't it? Calling him gay or a foreigner is an attempt to get others to agree that is he is an "other" which the originator of these claims already feels he is. Since he is a centrist person with a very American story there must be another factor making the people starting these rumors feel he is an "other."


LMAO!!

Keep digging, Ken. You're bound to find some nugget somewhere!


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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 10:19:14 AM   
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Fact attacking Obama on place of birth, calling him a gay coke head, or anything that is not even remotely connected with his programs is just stupid, if not insane.


Fact.

I just want to point out that Conservatives, in general, don't bash the President and his policies because of his (incorrectly) alleged place of birth, that he is gay or that he is a coke-head.


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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 10:35:58 AM   
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I did not vote for Romney simply because there is no way in heaven or hell I would vote for a Mormon.

You just hate him because he's white.

K.


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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 11:57:52 AM   
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Fed doesn't, homeowners is required if you have a mortgage. I say that because if while making payments, you drop homeowners,
the holder will get it for you and add to the payments. But I see the point is lost to you. I carry health just in case something goes wrong.
My payments for it were high before Obama care. Why would you not ensure yourself if you can, but ensure things that can be replaced?

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 12:03:07 PM   
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Um, one more thing.... President Obama, is, how do I say this.... BIRACIAL

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 12:44:01 PM   
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Fed doesn't, homeowners is required if you have a mortgage. I say that because if while making payments, you drop homeowners, the holder will get it for you and add to the payments.


Ah, so, the Federal Government forcing you to carry health insurance isn't the same as your mortgage company forcing you to carry homeowner's insurance (which is to help maintain their investment). Thanks for admitting that.

Renter's insurance isn't a requirement, is it?

But I see the point is lost to you. I carry health just in case something goes wrong.
My payments for it were high before Obama care. Why would you not ensure yourself if you can, but ensure things that can be replaced?

You see only what you want to see.

I understand what insurance is for. I understand the benefits of having insurance. If a point has been lost to anyone, it's been lost to you. It's not whether insurance is a good thing or not. It's whether government forcing you to purchase insurance is right, or not.

Eating fruits and veggies is good for you, isn't it? Would it be okay for the government to mandate that you eat fruits and veggies, and put in place the necessary and proper legislation and infrastructure to make sure you have? Exercise is good for you, isn't it? Hell, exercise is good for you, *and* it will tend to lower your health care needs. Is it acceptable for the Federal Government to mandate exercise and to put in place the necessary and proper legislation and infrastructure to make sure you are exercising according to their dictates?




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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 12:48:20 PM   
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Yeah, well, game over, it is right, it is the law. Stamped by SCOTUS. 



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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 1:00:59 PM   
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Bullshit. The only time I say someone is racist in regards to Obama is when it is ridiculous irrational stuff like this.

How do you know this has anything to do with his race, Ken?

Pretty obvious isn't it? Calling him gay or a foreigner is an attempt to get others to agree that is he is an "other" which the originator of these claims already feels he is. Since he is a centrist person with a very American story there must be another factor making the people starting these rumors feel he is an "other."


LMAO!!

Keep digging, Ken. You're bound to find some nugget somewhere!


Do you have another reason for the birther nonsense? The Obama, a man who has a 20+ year history of belonging to Christian churches, is a Muslim nonsense? The Obama is a drug addict nonsense? The Obama is gay nonsense?

Before you try comparing this stuff to the Clinton era attacks, again, consider that the Clinton attacks actually had some nugget of truth to start with. While this stuff is totally and fairly obviously fabricated.

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 1:06:14 PM   
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Eating fruits and veggies is good for you, isn't it? Would it be okay for the government to mandate that you eat fruits and veggies, and put in place the necessary and proper legislation and infrastructure to make sure you have? Exercise is good for you, isn't it? Hell, exercise is good for you, *and* it will tend to lower your health care needs. Is it acceptable for the Federal Government to mandate exercise and to put in place the necessary and proper legislation and infrastructure to make sure you are exercising according to their dictates?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/02/07/the-tortuous-conservative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/

And whose idea was it again?

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 1:09:12 PM   
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Besides, let me explain something to you. In the last election, I did not vote for Romney simply because there is no way in heaven or hell I would vote for a Mormon.



So, how can you, after this statement, sit in judgement of anyone that says: "I would never vote for a black man" or "I would never vote for a muslim" or "I would never vote for a homosexual"?

Your prejudice is okay but no one else's is? That's an interesting bent.

I objected to candidate Obama because he's a socialist. I also always said that he seemed like a decent guy that was just of a different mind set and I didn't think socialism was the way this country needed to go.

People that see this new thing as an issue must think (on some level) that being homosexual somehow disqualifies someone to be President.






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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 1:11:16 PM   
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Our thoughts…beliefs…and actions are most often governed by chemical reactions called emotions rather than facts. I believe this is why as a species we are so innovative… Otherwise being able to ignore facts to match our FEELINGS is what makes us intuitive. Science and social advances have often jumped ahead at a pace that would have been impossible in a world with level headed plodding step by step unemotional robots.

But as with every plus there is a minus… and the Tea party is one…(-:

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 1:15:11 PM   
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I objected to candidate Obama because he's a socialist. I also always said that he seemed like a decent guy that was just of a different mind set and I didn't think socialism was the way this country needed to go.

You don't have the vaguest idea what a socialist is.

I dare you to name one thing the President has done that fits with a socialist ideology.

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 1:15:46 PM   
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Bullshit. The only time I say someone is racist in regards to Obama is when it is ridiculous irrational stuff like this.

How do you know this has anything to do with his race, Ken?

Pretty obvious isn't it? Calling him gay or a foreigner is an attempt to get others to agree that is he is an "other" which the originator of these claims already feels he is. Since he is a centrist person with a very American story there must be another factor making the people starting these rumors feel he is an "other."

LMAO!!
Keep digging, Ken. You're bound to find some nugget somewhere!

Do you have another reason for the birther nonsense? The Obama, a man who has a 20+ year history of belonging to Christian churches, is a Muslim nonsense? The Obama is a drug addict nonsense? The Obama is gay nonsense?
Before you try comparing this stuff to the Clinton era attacks, again, consider that the Clinton attacks actually had some nugget of truth to start with. While this stuff is totally and fairly obviously fabricated.


Birther Nonsense: Initially, there was potential validity for the claim. After it was shown he was a Citizen, further birther nonsense is, well, nonsense.

Christian/Muslim Nonsense: He attended a church. He didn't recall hearing that church's leader spouting garbage against the US. Sounds more like he attended like he voted: "present." Still, there is nothing wrong with his being a Muslim, and people being outraged over it is, well, more of that nonsense shit.

Drug Addict Nonsense: Didn't Obama admit to having used drugs before? Not that that truly matters. What matters more, is if he's using them now. No idea if that's true or not, nor do I care. I chalk it up, again, as more nonsense.

Straight/Gay Nonsense: This goes along with the Christian/Muslim stuff. It makes no difference, and is nothing more than more nonsense.

What you're seeing is rhetoric being piled up to energize certain populations, pretty much the conspiracy nuts that are conservative. Being conservative isn't the key, though. It's the "conspiracy nuts" part.

Do what I do (and a lot of other people I know), look at them, let their nonsense be comedy gold.


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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 1:27:36 PM   
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Eating fruits and veggies is good for you, isn't it? Would it be okay for the government to mandate that you eat fruits and veggies, and put in place the necessary and proper legislation and infrastructure to make sure you have? Exercise is good for you, isn't it? Hell, exercise is good for you, *and* it will tend to lower your health care needs. Is it acceptable for the Federal Government to mandate exercise and to put in place the necessary and proper legislation and infrastructure to make sure you are exercising according to their dictates?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/02/07/the-tortuous-conservative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/
And whose idea was it again?


Think you "got me" on that one? Nah, I know the R's were for it in the 90's. As a matter of fact, someone, who looks an awful lot like me, recently posted this:
    quote:

    The HEART Act of 1993 (the GOP alternative to Hillarycare) included an individual mandate for insurance, but it also offered tax incentives to businesses and to individuals for qualified medical expenditures. So, it had both a stick and a carrot, while Obamacare simply has a stick.


Back to the drawing board for ya. I can't explain why the GOP was "for" an individual mandate back then. I wasn't paying attention. I was spending time working and going to college.

Not that that makes it right. For instance, DOMA was passed with bipartisan support in both Republican-controlled chambers of Congress and signed by a Democrat President. That the law has been deemed unConstitutional means that having bipartisan support (the irony of DOMA having bi-partisan support just hit me ) doesn't make something right.k

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 1:33:04 PM   
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Bingo! Consider slavery, or abortion or any number of issues, mores change as times change.  You can stand athwart history palm raised forebodingly to the winds of change, and yell stop, but you will be washed away by events.

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 1:45:52 PM   
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First there was the birther thing, then it was "Obama is a Muslim," now the some on the conservative side have come up with:

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Bombshell! Barack Obama High School Classmate Reveals That He Was A Well Known Homosexual

The truth finally comes out

It took awhile, but now childhood friends of president Barack Obama are now coming forward to reveal a past that included massive cocaine use, rampant homosexuality and uncontrollable lying. At the very least, the events related to Obamacare in the past 2 weeks show beyond question is affinity for relentless, pathological lying.

Source



I know Obama is not the best president we have had, but I can think of a couple who were just as bad if not worse, but come on, this shit is borderline insanity.

I gather, from various sources, that my president is a homosexual, Muslim, coke-head, liar with evil motives and a Messiah complex and still, none of that precludes him from being President.

They'd better stick with the birther thing.. it's all they got.



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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 1:51:35 PM   
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uncontrollable lying.

the "uncontrollable lying" I believe, he became a politician after all..

I think the "disease" in America is "sheepleism" and that spans the entire political spectrum..

here is one example.. its a vid of a guy easily getting sheeple to sign a petition to support Obama's endorsement of Karl Marx as a Presidential candidate in the 2016 election..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0azojPPRhw Communist Karl Marx Endorsed by Obama as the Next President?

Mark Dice is producing a series of videos in which he approaches strangers in public places in the US and asks them to sign a prepared petition that he is holding. Invariably, Mark behaves in a polite, congenial manner and makes a clear effort to appear as harmless as possible.

In each video, Mark's approach is the same. He chooses a large, open public space, dresses casually and hands his clipboard to someone who is passing and politely asks for his signature in support of a concept that is ludicrous. He does this with a straight face and always behaves pleasantly. Once the passer-by has taken the clipboard and is looking for the place to sign, Mark describes details (again, in a pleasant manner) of what is being proposed, such as,

"We're just gathering signatures to show support for Obama and his communist agenda, so we're gonna get Karl Marx on the 2016 ballot and continue the Marxist takeover."

Invariably, the prospective signers seem not to take in the significance of what Mark is saying. They seem to be focused more on where they are supposed to sign. No matter how many horrific details Mark offers the signers to provoke them to think about what they are signing, nothing seems to sink in.

Of course, we recognize that the video may contain only those people who were actually empty-headed enough to sign, and, surely, there were others who refused. However, this does not alter the fact that so many people simply "go along," seemingly oblivious to what they are signing.

Surely, for any reader of this publication, these videos will be both entertaining and exasperating, as they demonstrate the stupidity and complacency of so many people.


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