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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 2:06:34 PM   
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I did not vote for Romney simply because there is no way in heaven or hell I would vote for a Mormon.

You just hate him because he's white.

K.




Maybe it more towards Romeny Health Care.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/nov/03/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-health-insurance-more-expensive-m/

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 4:23:36 PM   
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Boi, first, half the country? May I point out that a majority voted for Obama twice?

May I also point out that the majority of conservatives in this country believe that what Fox, Beck and Rush say is the Gospel truth?

May I also point out that when FOX or beck and rush are proven wrong, independently by organizations that fact check both sides, it is always claimed to be liberal misinformation?

My point being, is simple, if a group does not condemn the statements that are clearly absurd and without merit, or actions that border on bigotry, then guilt by association applies.

This is true for the Germans that did not support Hitler, but did nothing to stop him, the man who stood and watched a mob of KKK members drag a black man out of his house and hang him while protesting he is not racist.

Ever time something like this comes up, is it better to attack the one who posted it, or address the fallacies of the people that present it as the truth?

I dont care if half the country disagrees with me, considering that I am against a lot on the liberal side of the fence, I would say more than half. However, consider the actions of the conservatives in congress, they have voted how many times to repeal the Affordable Care Act? They shutdown the government when they could not get Obama to agree to defunding the Affordable Care Act.

I have heard that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. How many times does the conservatives have to try and defund or repeal Obama care before they figure out it is not going to happen as long as he or a democrat is in office?

As for the liberals, when the hell are they going to figure out if you raise taxes to cut the deficit, you cannot increase spending in other areas, it defeats the purpose.

Fact Obama care is a clusterfuck.

Fact, Obama went to congress and told them to come up with a health care plan and he would sign it, instead of putting what he wanted in some sort of intelligent argument backed by medical and other professionals in the health field, thus making Obama an idiot.

Fact what Obama said he wanted in his campaign is not what we got, it is not even close to what we got.

Fact attacking Obama on place of birth, calling him a gay coke head, or anything that is not even remotely connected with his programs is just stupid, if not insane.

It makes as much sense as the arguments that a Bush ancestor stole the skull of Geronimo from the grave on the Fort Sill reservation to put in the Skull and Bones temple or whatever it is called, or bringing up the fact that prior to our entry in WW2, the Bush family had dealings with Nazi Germany. None of that had a damn thing to do with Bush's presidency or anything else. Neither did the fact that he was a recovering alcoholic.

That crap was as insane as this crap is.



So sorry I suppose I should have said slightly less than 1/2 but I didn't realize you were going to start nitpicking. The rest of your post reads like an excuse to be a bigot. Very similar to other excuses I have heard on why we should hate blacks and gays. Still not changing my opinion. If you want to form an opinion of all those people based on the idiots in congress I am not going to change your mind. so I guess this discussion is over.

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 4:24:53 PM   
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Bullshit. The only time I say someone is racist in regards to Obama is when it is ridiculous irrational stuff like this.

How do you know this has anything to do with his race, Ken?

Pretty obvious isn't it? Calling him gay or a foreigner is an attempt to get others to agree that is he is an "other" which the originator of these claims already feels he is. Since he is a centrist person with a very American story there must be another factor making the people starting these rumors feel he is an "other."


LMAO!!

Keep digging, Ken. You're bound to find some nugget somewhere!




I have to admit that's the first time I have ever heard someone called a racist because they claimed someone else was gay. Only on CM

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 4:27:27 PM   
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Bullshit. The only time I say someone is racist in regards to Obama is when it is ridiculous irrational stuff like this.

How do you know this has anything to do with his race, Ken?

Pretty obvious isn't it? Calling him gay or a foreigner is an attempt to get others to agree that is he is an "other" which the originator of these claims already feels he is. Since he is a centrist person with a very American story there must be another factor making the people starting these rumors feel he is an "other."


LMAO!!

Keep digging, Ken. You're bound to find some nugget somewhere!


Do you have another reason for the birther nonsense? The Obama, a man who has a 20+ year history of belonging to Christian churches, is a Muslim nonsense? The Obama is a drug addict nonsense? The Obama is gay nonsense?

Before you try comparing this stuff to the Clinton era attacks, again, consider that the Clinton attacks actually had some nugget of truth to start with. While this stuff is totally and fairly obviously fabricated.



Did it ever occur to you that they might hate him for the same reason so many hated Bush, or Clinton, because he had the wrong letter next to his name?

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 5:52:04 PM   
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Bullshit. The only time I say someone is racist in regards to Obama is when it is ridiculous irrational stuff like this.

How do you know this has anything to do with his race, Ken?

Pretty obvious isn't it? Calling him gay or a foreigner is an attempt to get others to agree that is he is an "other" which the originator of these claims already feels he is. Since he is a centrist person with a very American story there must be another factor making the people starting these rumors feel he is an "other."


LMAO!!

Keep digging, Ken. You're bound to find some nugget somewhere!


Do you have another reason for the birther nonsense? The Obama, a man who has a 20+ year history of belonging to Christian churches, is a Muslim nonsense? The Obama is a drug addict nonsense? The Obama is gay nonsense?

Before you try comparing this stuff to the Clinton era attacks, again, consider that the Clinton attacks actually had some nugget of truth to start with. While this stuff is totally and fairly obviously fabricated.



Did it ever occur to you that they might hate him for the same reason so many hated Bush, or Clinton, because he had the wrong letter next to his name?

Did it ever occur to you that the quality of this stuff is different? Did it ever occur to you that this bears an uncanny resemblance to what happened in Chicago under Mayor Washington? Did it ever occur to you that people have researched the people behind these outlandish claims and they are always people with openly racist opinions?

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 6:12:45 PM   
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I did not vote for Romney simply because there is no way in heaven or hell I would vote for a Mormon.

You just hate him because he's white.

K.





My second wife converted to the Mormon church after we were married. Things went well for about six months, until one morning she told me I did not pray correctly.

I might add she tried unsuccessfully to get me to convert. My constantly telling the missionaries she invited over for meals and to talk to me that the Archeological evidence in south America did not prove any of their claims that the pre columbian cities in central and south america were built by descendents of a lost tribe of Israel.

But then I dont believe that biblical archeology in the Holy Land can prove the truth of the bible. It has proved the existence of some of the people in the bible, most notably king Herod, but as for the Patriarchs, the prophets, or even the divinity of Christ, it just does not wash.

Personally I believe in the holy triad, father, son and the holy spook, but that is because it gives me comfort during the hard times.

As for Mormons in general, I believe it is a cult, none of the claims of Joseph Smith can be verified, except by a select few of his followers, they are great at revising biblical and pre Columbian history, and genetically speaking there are no groups indigenous to the americas that show any genetic link to the Hebrew people prior to Columbus showing up and let his conquistadors play fuck the natives literally and figuratively.

So basically I do not trust the Mormons politically or their religion. It dont matter if they are white, green, black, brown, purple or polka dotted.

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 7:03:45 PM   
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The only people I hate are supposedly the French, but I never had much enthusiasm for it. Louisiana and Maine being my two favorite states doesn't help matters, and I sort of have a weakness for French wine. I was never much good at being a bigot, I'm afraid.

Anyway, this is more complex than just racism. We are dealing with something that is far more difficult to contend with, which is something called "nativism." Nativism extends not only to attitudes toward "foreigners," but it involves a fear among those who perceive themselves as being "established," especially among those whose only sense of security is the belief that they are part of the supposed "establishment," of their perceived "special status" being overturned. With the majority of neonates being Hispanic, these guys are scared shitless.

It's not exactly as evil in its intent as racism, but it's just as harmful and harder to do anything about for right now.

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 7:14:05 PM   
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The only people I can honestly say I hate, is my first wife's family, terminally stupid people, and the idiot drivers who do not know how to use turn signals, who cross four lanes of traffic to hit an exit that they have already missed, and the guys that design cars that need either the steering bar between front tires removed to change a starter, or one engine mount to change the starter.

Or that sick son of a bitch that developed the GM Quadrojet carburetor.

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 7:49:28 PM   
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Conservative demonize what they don't like or feel threatened by. AM radio and Fox News simply fan the flames into a brush fire. Also, in seeing the world as they want to, they have to distort it.

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/7/2013 7:59:54 PM   
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Conservative demonize what they don't like or feel threatened by. AM radio and Fox News simply fan the flames into a brush fire. Also, in seeing the world as they want to, they have to distort it.


The more I think about it, I am beginning to believe that conservatives who come up with the stuff like the birther conspiracy, the gay conspiracy and the coke addict conspiracy must be the mass testing of the MK Ultra program.

I remember the conservatives from my younger days, they werent this nuts, of course it could be the internet bringing the nuts out of the woodwork. The republicans even admitted that Nixon was a crook after Watergate broke, although I doubt he did anything the democrats had not tried or considered, he just got caught.

Politicians are crooks, no matter what side of the aisle they sit on.

LBJ was good friends with Billie Sol Estes, the biggest con artist in Texas History. He swindled a bank out of a few million by putting up non existent ammonia tanks as collateral. He had vin numbers for all the tanks, just not the tanks themselves. So he moved them around from place to place and change the vin plates as needed.

Worked great the first time the bank checked the tanks, the second time someone forgot to change all the vin plates on a tank... Bank got a bit upset, the Feds got involved since it fell in their jurisdiction and he went to federal prison...

He didnt stay long, seems some politician pulled some strings to get him out.

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/8/2013 5:35:30 AM   
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F but come on, this shit is borderline insanity.



So is trying to claim 1/2 the country has a mental disease because they don't think the same way you do, but I notice it hasn't stopped you.



Consider this, liberals never called bush gay, or unchristian etc, they referred to him as a liar, considering that no viable WMD's were found in Iraq, Saddam Hussain never supported Al Qaeda (as claimed by Bush) they pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Besides, let me explain something to you. In the last election, I did not vote for Romney simply because there is no way in heaven or hell I would vote for a Mormon.

I voted for Obama the first time because I hoped he would have the balls to stand up for what he claimed to believe. Obama care is the result of him not doing that. Instead of presenting a plan of his own, he went to congress and basically said, "come up with a plan and I will sign off on it." That was not what he said he was going to do.

Basically I vote for the lesser of two evils.

I disagree with liberals on gun control, support preserving the environment and sensible health care reform (Obama care is not sensible, it is a clusterfuck.)

Considering that crap coming from MSNBC and FOX news can be disproved as taken out of context or blatant bullshit, I dont watch either.

Now if a real, honest, sincere and qualified person runs for the office, I would vote for him or her without hesitation.

However, no one, Democrat or Republican or Libertarian or Green Party has actually tried to run for political office.

At this point I would vote for Alfred E. Nueman or Garfield for president as write ins, or if she actually ran for office, Wednesday Mourning.

Now you want to try again to nail down my political philosophy, or would you be so kind as to address an opinion on the subject?




Yeah... no.

that tag didn't stick because of peoples perceptions of bush.
However, don't get so congratulatory. Bush was called a moron, genocidal murderer.. etc.

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/8/2013 11:51:16 AM   
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F but come on, this shit is borderline insanity.



So is trying to claim 1/2 the country has a mental disease because they don't think the same way you do, but I notice it hasn't stopped you.



Consider this, liberals never called bush gay, or unchristian etc, they referred to him as a liar, considering that no viable WMD's were found in Iraq, Saddam Hussain never supported Al Qaeda (as claimed by Bush) they pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Besides, let me explain something to you. In the last election, I did not vote for Romney simply because there is no way in heaven or hell I would vote for a Mormon.

I voted for Obama the first time because I hoped he would have the balls to stand up for what he claimed to believe. Obama care is the result of him not doing that. Instead of presenting a plan of his own, he went to congress and basically said, "come up with a plan and I will sign off on it." That was not what he said he was going to do.

Basically I vote for the lesser of two evils.

I disagree with liberals on gun control, support preserving the environment and sensible health care reform (Obama care is not sensible, it is a clusterfuck.)

Considering that crap coming from MSNBC and FOX news can be disproved as taken out of context or blatant bullshit, I dont watch either.

Now if a real, honest, sincere and qualified person runs for the office, I would vote for him or her without hesitation.

However, no one, Democrat or Republican or Libertarian or Green Party has actually tried to run for political office.

At this point I would vote for Alfred E. Nueman or Garfield for president as write ins, or if she actually ran for office, Wednesday Mourning.

Now you want to try again to nail down my political philosophy, or would you be so kind as to address an opinion on the subject?




Yeah... no.

that tag didn't stick because of peoples perceptions of bush.
However, don't get so congratulatory. Bush was called a moron, genocidal murderer.. etc.




I posted links showing idiots claiming bush was gay but I notice he totally ignored that post.

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/8/2013 11:53:09 AM   
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OH, I believe he is gay, nothing illegal about that.

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/8/2013 1:01:54 PM   
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Actually I did not ignore them.

One was a right wing anti gay group, so it would be hard to blame the liberals for that accusation, the second accusation is allegedly from a group that seems to have no internet footprint other than the article you linked to, and as far as Hilary Clinton, are you seriously trying to say the liberals are making this claim?

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/8/2013 1:25:08 PM   
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First there was the birther thing, then it was "Obama is a Muslim," now the some on the conservative side have come up with:

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Bombshell! Barack Obama High School Classmate Reveals That He Was A Well Known Homosexual
The truth finally comes out

It took awhile, but now childhood friends of president Barack Obama are now coming forward to reveal a past that included massive cocaine use, rampant homosexuality and uncontrollable lying. At the very least, the events related to Obamacare in the past 2 weeks show beyond question is affinity for relentless, pathological lying.

Source


I know Obama is not the best president we have had, but I can think of a couple who were just as bad if not worse, but come on, this shit is borderline insanity.


ROTFLMAO....

...wait, this is for real? WOW! Conservatives will believe ANYTHING.....

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/8/2013 1:29:40 PM   
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Bullshit. The only time I say someone is racist in regards to Obama is when it is ridiculous irrational stuff like this.


How do you know this has anything to do with his race, Ken?


Look at the quality of individuals that make up the Tea Party. Most of them are VERY racist. They hate those Mexican illegal immigrants and think nothing of Germany or English illegal immigrants. Now WHY is that? Why is it that the Klan votes Tea Party and not Democrat? How many black people are in the Tea Party compared to the Democrats? An how often does the typical Tea Partier say "I'm not racist, I have black friends!"?

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/8/2013 1:35:40 PM   
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Bullshit. The only time I say someone is racist in regards to Obama is when it is ridiculous irrational stuff like this.


How do you know this has anything to do with his race, Ken?


Look at the quality of individuals that make up the Tea Party. Most of them are VERY racist. They hate those Mexican illegal immigrants and think nothing of Germany or English illegal immigrants. Now WHY is that? Why is it that the Klan votes Tea Party and not Democrat? How many black people are in the Tea Party compared to the Democrats? An how often does the typical Tea Partier say "I'm not racist, I have black friends!"?


Uh, there are actually quite a few African American Tea Party members and candidate.

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/8/2013 1:40:20 PM   
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Yeah... no.

that tag didn't stick because of peoples perceptions of bush.
However, don't get so congratulatory. Bush was called a moron, genocidal murderer.. etc.


1 ) There is a reason why there exists 'Bushisms' and its NOT because he said stuff in a intelligent or wise manner.

2 ) He invaded another country while lying to his country over the reasons for the invasion.

3 ) What do you call someone that gets a few hundred thousand civilians of an ethical group killed in a warzone? A Genocidal Murderer

Yes, due to his actions, inactions, words and references, really place him on the receiving end of a lot of harsh criticism. However, it was well deserved. He surrounded himself with bad advisors who gave him bad advice and he paid a heavy price for it. Unlike President Obama, whom conservatives will try ANYTHING (regardless of how silly or petty it is) to attack the President when he makes good decisions (i.e. removing Osama from the world) or pushes for good concepts (i.e. the Affordable Care Act).

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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/8/2013 1:48:15 PM   
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Bullshit. The only time I say someone is racist in regards to Obama is when it is ridiculous irrational stuff like this.


How do you know this has anything to do with his race, Ken?

Look at the quality of individuals that make up the Tea Party. Most of them are VERY racist. They hate those Mexican illegal immigrants and think nothing of Germany or English illegal immigrants. Now WHY is that? Why is it that the Klan votes Tea Party and not Democrat? How many black people are in the Tea Party compared to the Democrats? An how often does the typical Tea Partier say "I'm not racist, I have black friends!"?

Uh, there are actually quite a few African American Tea Party members and candidate.


Lets compared the number of blacks that voted Democrat in the last election to the number that voted for EITHER a Republican or Tea Partier. Which do you think is greater? The number of blacks that vote Democrat far outweighed those that voted for either Republicans or Tea Partiers. The evidence is not hard to obtain with a simple goggle search! Michael Steele was a RNC person and a Republican. And he failed in the RNC. Not because he is black, but due to his performance. The President is attacked BECAUSE he is black, NOT because of his performance. Or are you going to argue to me that conservatives rate the President's performance in the same 'fair' and 'honest' manner as all the Republicans who shut the government down not to recently ago?


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RE: Are you sure conservatism is not a mental disease? - 11/8/2013 1:53:17 PM   
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Michael Steele was a RNC person and a Republican. And he failed in the RNC. Not because he is black, but due to his performance. The President is attacked BECAUSE he is black, NOT because of his performance.



People don't dislike Obama because he's black. They dislike him because he sucks. You prefer the race card instead of the truth.


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