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Won't happen. Would be far easier (and far more likely) that China decides it can no longer take that risk and stop buying our debt.

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Won't happen. Would be far easier (and far more likely) that China decides it can no longer take that risk and stop buying our debt.

In which case the reduction in Demand will crush the value of the bonds they currently hold. Sometimes the Lender is more advantaged than the borrower.

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According to this report, negotiators are close to an agreement to defuse the situation and resolve all the outstanding issues:
"The presence of so many foreign ministers did not guarantee a nuclear agreement with Iran was ready to be signed, diplomats at the talks cautioned. [snip]
.But a senior European diplomat told reporters that the foreign ministers would come to Geneva only if there was a deal to sign, Reuters reported.
"We have made progress, including core issues," the diplomat said.[snip]
A French diplomatic source urged caution, saying: "It's the home stretch, but previous negotiations have taught us to be prudent."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/23/john-kerry-geneva-iran-nuclear-negotiations
While it's still too early to declare the crisis over, there do seem to be reasonable grounds for optimism. Let's hope so.

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I wonder who our next Evil enemy will be

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I wonder who our next Evil enemy will be

Now...where do you live?

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Soooo . . . it seems like a deal has been struck with Iran to put their nuclear program, such as it is, on hold for six months in exchange for the lifting of $6 or $7 Billion in sanctions. All of which must be totally exasperating to those who have been beating the drums of war. I wonder who our next Evil enemy will be. We will need at least one to fill the gap. Elsewise, the military/diplo/industrial complex and their propagandists will wander about aimlessly. How can this nation live its daily life without some imminent threat upon which to focus? *Sighssss . . it will be difficult.

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Soooo . . . it seems like a deal has been struck with Iran to put their nuclear program, such as it is, on hold for six months in exchange for the lifting of $6 or $7 Billion in sanctions. All of which must be totally exasperating to those who have been beating the drums of war. I wonder who our next Evil enemy will be. We will need at least one to fill the gap. Elsewise, the military/diplo/industrial complex and their propagandists will wander about aimlessly. How can this nation live its daily life without some imminent threat upon which to focus? *Sighssss . . it will be difficult.

Yep .. ridiculous agreement.
Iran gets to keep its plutonium reactor which essentially aids its weapons work.

It gets to keep its cascaded centrifuge which allow it to maintain the ability to proceed.

The Iranians gained time - which they needed for the other components.

So we traded sanctions - for time - which the Iranians don't care about.

Thats about as bad a deal as it gets. Sometimes you really can get something for nothing.

Face it - the iranians wanted the sanctions lifted - the question was the cost. The got them lifted at essentially zero cost - from a president desperate to do anything to change the topic on healthcare.

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The Iranians gained time - which they needed for the other components.

Face it - the iranians wanted the sanctions lifted - the question was the cost. The got them lifted at essentially zero cost - from a president desperate to do anything to change the topic on healthcare.

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Yep .. ridiculous agreement. [snip]
The Iranians gained time - which they needed for the other components. So we traded sanctions - for time - which the Iranians don't care about. Thats about as bad a deal as it gets. Sometimes you really can get something for nothing.

Face it - the iranians wanted the sanctions lifted - the question was the cost. The got them lifted at essentially zero cost - from a president desperate to do anything to change the topic on healthcare.

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Will Israel defy the world and go it alone with military action against Iran? Will the US be able to prevent a wildcat Israeli strike?

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Vince let me say first I welcome this agreement. Yes it has the potential for problems but for now with proper free and open inspections it can work in my opinion.

That said I an wondering how you can accept wholeheartedly this agreement when just a few posts before you were calling the same US government that made this agreement less than trustworthy in their motives. Does this mean you believe you were wrong about the US motives all along?

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Will Israel defy the world and go it alone with military action against Iran? Will the US be able to prevent a wildcat Israeli strike?

You got a little anti-Israel drip on your shirt, there, tweaks.

How many times has Israel threatened to strike Iran?

How many times has Israel struck Iran?

I doubt Israel will risk counter-strikes from their attacking Iran.

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No sooner was the ink dry on the Iran-P5+1 nuclear agreement than Israeli PM Netanyahoo, true to his record of intransigence and belligerence, denounced the agreement as a "historic mistake", and warning that Israel was not bound by it, a veiled threat to go it alone and bomb Iran anyway.

It must be so frustrating for poor Bibi (or is it Bimbo?). He had finally got his decades old agenda of concerted military action against Iran close to a reality for his dream to be smashed by diplomatic agreement. His fractious relationship with the Obama White House again came under scrutiny as the US gets increasingly annoyed over his intransigence in the negotiations with Palestinians. Putin politely listened to his pleas to stop the Iran agreement and showed him the door. Israel's increasing international isolation was finally coming home to roost with a vengeance (in Bimbo'sBibi's eyes, which ignore the fact that it is precisely Bimbo'sBibi's and Israel's policies that are causing the isolation).

According to long time ME observer Larry Derfner:
'"If it hadn’t happened on the same day, last Thursday, that the breakthrough came in the Geneva talks on Iran’s nuclear program, John Kerry’s joint interview on Israeli and Palestinian TV – and the chain reaction it would have set off – would still be dominating the news from the Middle East. Instead, it was a one-day story, overtaken by the chain reaction from the Geneva breakthrough, notably Netanyahu’s furious attempt to block what he calls this “bad deal” with Iran.

If it hadn’t been overshadowed by the Iran story, Kerry’s interview, coming on the heels of a report that the U.S. was going to present an Israeli-Palestinian peace plan in January, would have been seen for what it was: a very high-profile signal that the Obama administration has decided to stand up to Netanyahu, to tell him publicly what it thinks of his policy and to make clear that until he changes direction, the United States views him, not Mahmoud Abbas, as the main obstacle to peace."
http://972mag.com/u-s-israel-break-not-only-over-iran-but-over-palestine-too/81731/

The US alliance is bedrock that has allowed Israel to more or less do what it likes for decades. Any rupture in relations with the US is a very serious matter in Israeli eyes, and therefore it is political suicide for BimboBibi to be seen as jeopardising that relationship. The temptation to re-arrange the diplomatic landscape, wreck the Iran-P5+1 detente and regain the political initiative must be enticing. One thing we can be certain of is that the requisite political and military calculations will be made in Jerusalem.

Will Israel defy the world and go it alone with military action against Iran? Will the US be able to prevent a wildcat Israeli strike?

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Yep .. ridiculous agreement. [snip]
The Iranians gained time - which they needed for the other components. So we traded sanctions - for time - which the Iranians don't care about. Thats about as bad a deal as it gets. Sometimes you really can get something for nothing.

Face it - the iranians wanted the sanctions lifted - the question was the cost. The got them lifted at essentially zero cost - from a president desperate to do anything to change the topic on healthcare.

Goddamned peace mongerers! How %$&!ing dare they?

It was all looking so good just a few days ago. We were about to turn Iran into a sheet of glass, blow the daylights out of those jumped up wogs, teaching them who's who and what's what and reminding them of their place in the natural order of things when disaster happened - the Goddamned pussy in chief in the White House went and caved into their demands and peace broke out.

With it went the chance to have so much fun, show the world a thing or two about shock and awe, and to play with all of our big toys. What is wrong with the pussy-in-chief? Can't he recognise an opportunity to blow the bejaysus of out some inconsequential Third World backwater when it's staring him in the face? What is America coming to? And if depriving us of a war wasn't bad enough on its own, the pussy in chief wants to give big guns and weapons to those eebil Moolems while taking OUR guns away.

See what happens once pinkos and peace mongerers are allowed to put fluoride into the water .....