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DesideriScuri -> RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House changes its mind but... (11/18/2013 9:57:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
of course Ron, its expected
DS
Who is spinning? LMAO


That would be, you (specific), and most Democrats.

I was heartened to read: "GILLIBRAND: Well, they're [the Democrats who voted 'for' HR3350] just responding to the worries of their constituents."

That's a very good thing to see. I can only hope they aren't the only ones in Congress acting the same.




Lucylastic -> RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House changes its mind but... (11/18/2013 10:15:59 AM)

Bollocks




tj444 -> RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House changes its mind but... (11/18/2013 10:29:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
useful propaganda to slop the feebleminded with.

it seems to be working on some people.. I know a 95 year old woman who has all the medical advantages that medicare can provide (she has another 2 insurance policies to cover what medicare doesn't) and believe me, she has doctor appointments usually 2 or 3 times per week, cancer treatments, plus right now daily in-home wound care & trying to get a wheelchair (paid for by medicare).. yet she is strongly opposed to Obamacare.. she thinks Mexicans are gonna storm the border to sign up for it (& some nonsense about Mexico becoming the 51st state).. of course I told her that illegal immigrants cant get obamacare (I am not sure she believes me tho).. [8|]

eta- she is anything but feebleminded tho, she is as sharp as a tack and plays/makes money in the market!




papassion -> RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House changes its mind but... (11/18/2013 1:17:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Bullshit. The plans that could not be grandfathered were junk plans that offered almost no coverage.

Proof?

Read the story I linked above it demonstrates the reality for one of the right's stories about someone losing their coverage. You could also go looking for the percentage of plans that did not qualify to be grandfathered before any price hikes. Those plans were all junk plans.


So, I have to go prove your allegations?

One "story" about someone losing coverage doesn't mean all those plans were junk plans.

Why would anyone buy a "junk plan" to begin with? Methinks you're passing judgement about a plan that someone else very well could have happily chosen. Now? No choice for you!

I already proved junk plans existed. I already demonstrated that one of the right wing's stories was actually about someone with one of those junk plans.

People bought junk plans because they wanted some insurance coverage and either had no choice in what they could get, a lot of the junk plans were employer provided, or was all they could afford or they didn't understand what the policy they were buying covered, see the woman in the article I previously linked to.

The reason to get rid of those plans is two fold. First the plans only gave the illusion of coverage. If someone did get ill enough to be hospitalized or needed virtually any diagnostic testing they would find themselves paying out of pocket despite having paid who knows how much in premiums. It is simple consumer protection. Second people with these policies will not seek medical care when appropriate, once they find out how little coverage is provided, It is well known that early treatment and/or preventative care offer much better outcomes over waiting till a person is so sick they have no choice but to seek care.


Yeah, a plan that didn't cover a single MAN's pregnancy or a WOMAN'S prostate cancer is a junk plan in Obama land. Are you even going to TRY to spin that the union"s Caddillac plans were junk, before Obama rewarded his union friends with an exemption?




mnottertail -> RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House changes its mind but... (11/18/2013 1:32:30 PM)

no, only you are spinning that shit.




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