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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/29/2013 11:00:46 PM   
EdBowie


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Status: offline 		Stress is a common reaction to killing someone.  Carrying it to the level of a diagnosed mental health disorder is something else entirely.

I don't think that acronym means what you think it means.

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PTSD is a common result from having to defend oneself with lethal force.
Common.
Why do you suppose police officers are forced to attend counseling after killing someone?
And cops who kill are, typically, surrounded by supporters... "brothers in blue".
GZ is surrounded by death threats.

PTSD is practically a given for him.

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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/29/2013 11:01:27 PM   
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BTW PTSD has well known and well understood symptoms and his behavior is not PTSD.


You mean like:

"excessive emotions; problems relating to others, including feeling or showing affection; difficulty falling or staying asleep; irritability; outbursts of anger; difficulty concentrating; and being "jumpy" or easily startled. "

Yeah, it doesn't sound like any of that could apply to him.

Want to discuss the behavior of people receiving credible death threats????


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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/29/2013 11:04:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some of those symptoms are clearly present in George's documented behaviors years before he killed someone.

You haven't shown where he was traumatized before the symptoms appeared, and you sure as hell haven't come up with any proof of time travel, so I'll let you enjoy whatever game you are playing, by yourself.





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BTW PTSD has well known and well understood symptoms and his behavior is not PTSD.


You mean like:

"excessive emotions; problems relating to others, including feeling or showing affection; difficulty falling or staying asleep; irritability; outbursts of anger; difficulty concentrating; and being "jumpy" or easily startled. "

Yeah, it doesn't sound like any of that could apply to him.

Want to discuss the behavior of people receiving credible death threats????


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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/29/2013 11:07:54 PM   
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I am saying that the "outre behavior" occurred post Trayvon... and is consistent with the actions of a person with PTSD.

Furthermore, it is certainly consistent with the behavior of anyone who was... " assaulted, forced to kill a man, spent months in jail, was the target of "wanted dead or alive" posters, stood trial for murder, and was deserted by his wife".

You had previously stated he had suffered no "trauma".

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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/29/2013 11:33:26 PM   
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Spent months in jail? He spent a few days in jail. It wasn't even 30 days much less more than 60.


Well, let's look at some stubborn things: facts.
1. He turned himself in (the first time) on 4/11/2012
2. He was released on bail 4/23/2012
3. He turned himself in again on 6/3/2012
4. He was released again on 7/6/2012.

So, 45 days in jail...

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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/29/2013 11:38:39 PM   
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whatever game you are playing


If there is a game being played it is the game of rushing- rushing, again, against what I consider to be decency and common sense- to once more convict a man arrested without sufficient evidence even to mount a serious trial against him.

It's horrible.

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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/30/2013 1:52:52 AM   
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If there is a game being played it is the game of rushing- rushing, again, against what I consider to be decency and common sense- to once more convict a man arrested without sufficient evidence even to mount a serious trial against him.

It's horrible.

Exactly how long would you like them to wait when a woman calls 911 because somebody is busting furniture in her house? There are a number of states in the U.S. where, if the cops are called and there is an obvious domestic violence situation, somebody is going to jail.

If he would have thought the thing through, he would have taken a friend with him when he went to gather his belongings. Do it as quickly and be as civil as possible. If the past experience was traumatic for him, (which I'll give you, it probably was) the smartest thing to do would be to do everything is his power not to go back to jail.



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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/30/2013 3:03:41 AM   
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FFS, you should know that the police and prosecutors dont press cases without some kind of evidence. Its a bit fucking stupid to suggest otherwise, even for you.


That's amazingly ignorant, even for you.
Ever heard of Mike Nifong? He was disbarred, you know.
How about Angela Corey?
Famed liberal Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz thinks she should be disbarred.

And that's just high-profile prosecutors, not just every dumbshit redneck cop that, in the words of He Who You Admire The Most "acted stupidly". Hate to break it to you, but cops actually are in some circumstances required to make arrests without evidence.
Prosecution should be a different matter, but is sometimes not (see above); and in any case you're changing the subject and jumping the gun.
Zimmerman has not been prosecuted.


"Amazingly ignorant" would be your post. I never said Zimmerman had been prosecuted.

Sad to see you are an apologist for any crime he commits, prior to it reaching trial.

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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/30/2013 7:41:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with most of your post; but you misunderstood mine, I think.
I meant that people here were rushing to convict GZ, not the police. I have no issue, here, with the conduct of the cops.

Interestingly, I came home one night back when I was drinking to find things were not to my liking. As part of the discussion that ensued with my now ex-wife, I hit a rickety end-table sort of thing with the flat of my fist. It collapsed, thoroughly broken.
Ex-bitch called the cops.
Part of my discussion with said cops referred to the broken table. "It's mine," I said, "and I'll break the rest of the furniture if I want to. Want to watch?"
Ex-bitch continued to get louder, eventually reaching a full-on screaming rage.
Which woke the baby.
I pointed out to the cops that the baby had slept through all the terrible things I had supposedly done.
She left, not me, broken furniture or no.

Selah.

< Message edited by truckinslave -- 11/30/2013 7:46:04 AM >

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/30/2013 7:43:28 AM   
truckinslave


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Status: offline 		Let it be noted that you were the first to mention prosecutors.

Sad to see that you are again rushing to convict him.
Does England lack the concept of "innocent until proven guilty"?

< Message edited by truckinslave -- 11/30/2013 7:44:14 AM >

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/30/2013 7:50:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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Spent months in jail? He spent a few days in jail. It wasn't even 30 days much less more than 60.


Well, let's look at some stubborn things: facts.
1. He turned himself in (the first time) on 4/11/2012
2. He was released on bail 4/23/2012
3. He turned himself in again on 6/3/2012
4. He was released again on 7/6/2012.

So, 45 days in jail...

even by that count he didn't spend months in jail.

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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/30/2013 10:35:26 AM   
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Let it be noted that you were the first to mention prosecutors.

Sad to see that you are again rushing to convict him.
Does England lack the concept of "innocent until proven guilty"?


You need to learn to read. Prosecutors and prosecuted are not the same thing. The police and prosecutors have decided there is enough evidence to lay charges. The same would happen in England. A trial would then determine either guilty or innocent. You are old enough to know how that works, N`est Pas ?

Before you spout on about America and "innocent until proven guilty" you should have a read about the innoceents being held in Gitmo, many held without trial even though your officials have said there is either no guilt, or not enough evidence. Its just ironic you dont apply your own standards to everyone languishing in a US prison.

Edited for spelling

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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/30/2013 10:49:30 AM   
truckinslave


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What does Gitmo have to do with that?

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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/30/2013 1:36:00 PM   
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You are aware this is a threa about GZ, non?

What does Gitmo have to do with that?


Nice try, there was no thread drift from me though, just a comment on your laughable point about "innocent until proven guilty"

Oh wait, maybe your notion of that is different, depending on who we are talking about.

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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/30/2013 4:46:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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whatever game you are playing


If there is a game being played it is the game of rushing- rushing, again, against what I consider to be decency and common sense- to once more convict a man arrested without sufficient evidence even to mount a serious trial against him.

It's horrible.


And:
quote:

"You had previously stated he had suffered no "trauma".

 
That is bullshit, I asked at what point in Zimmerman's long history of very similar outbursts, did he meet the pre-conditions for PTSD... I never said there weren't any.

And you are going beyond fabrications and into hallucinations to claim I've made any such comments on his guilt or innocence.



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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/30/2013 6:14:28 PM   
truckinslave


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First, you:
quote:

I must have missed the part where George's history of outre' behavior was preceded by a period of trauma... when did that happen?


Then, me:
quote:

You missed the part where he was assaulted, forced to kill a man, spent months in jail, was the target of "wanted dead or alive" posters, stood trial for murder, and was deserted by his wife?


You, again, sadly:
quote:

I asked at what point in Zimmerman's long history of very similar outbursts, did he meet the pre-conditions for PTSD... I never said there weren't any.


Technically, I suppose you never did say there weren't any, only that you had missed them.
For those that understand sarcasm however (such as, oh I don't know: me, you clearly denied their existence.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/30/2013 6:15:43 PM   
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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/30/2013 6:21:10 PM   
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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/30/2013 6:24:46 PM   
truckinslave


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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: George Zimmerman Arrested - 11/30/2013 6:34:45 PM   
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