Lucylastic
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In the same way that pro life means if you have a disabled feteus growing in utero, or one that dies in utero, you will be forced to carry to term, be uninsurable,, spend hundreds of thousands on medical care, and then be called a moocher for the rest of your life.
Ridiculous no???
Yes it is ridiculous and total bullshit to boot.
So are most of your claims... such as.....quote:
I guess pro choice should now be redefined to mean you have the choice as long as it won't cost me anything, and quote:
And people call conservatives cold hearted. So tell me where do you draw the line? Babies are born all the time with problems that will force others to care for them for life. Should they be denied public resources as well? Or perhaps as I suggested we can test in the womb and force abortions to save you money.
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Maybe we could pass a law requiring all expectant mothers to take a test to determine if the kid will be defect free and if it's not we can force her to have an abortion. That way you won't have to feel like you are paying for a person shaped lump of flesh.
Imagine how many ancephalic children would be born if fetal pain/personhood bills are passed as law, Do you think ANY family should be forced to just live with it, be forced to suffer something they may not be able to handle, financially mentally, or even physically?
No one forced her to carry the kid. That was her choice. That's what pro choice means, you can choose to kill it or keep it.
Yes she did, but should anyone fall outside that 20 week limit, being called for by pro life believers, for whatever reason, the bill would force a woman to keep carrying a brain dead fetus to term.
Those parents that do often struggle beyond imagining, that is THEIR choice. More Power to them, I dont agree people should be left struggling, which is often the case, however NOT every family or women is capable of doing so, and Neither should they need to be.
I hypothetically see more pregnant women commit suicide or infanticide cases, should those bills come into effect
I must have missed the bill that would require women to carry dead fetuses around. Perhaps you have a link?
I said it was ridiculous didnt I..... DUH, get a clue.... the hint of mother carrying a dead fetus is of course bloody ridiculous, as most still births are expelled naturally, or done by medical procedure before two weeks of known "death".... the rest of my statement, not so much.
However I notice you are ONLY focused on the "dead fetus" part of it
....... So I have a link to the assertion of Louis Gohmert, that a woman should have carried her brain dead baby to term during a personhood/no abortion after 20 weeks, etc et al bill that MANY have tried,
Louie Gohmert of Texas spoke at a hearing on a measure to criminalize abortions after 20 weeks.
On Thursday, Christy Zink testified in opposition to H.R. 1797, a 20-week abortion ban that anti-abortion representatives of Congress keep attempting to impose upon the women in the nation’s capital. Abortion opponents claim that 20-week bans are necessary to prevent “fetal pain.” But in her testimony, Zink pointed out it’s misleading to suggest that this abortion restriction would serve this purpose, since forcing her to carry her pregnancy to term would have actually caused her unborn son considerable pain.
In order to justify his support for H.R. 1797, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) suggested that Zink should have given birth to her son anyway, regardless of the pain that may have caused her family. The congressman told a story about a different couple who decided to give birth to a fetus with different types of disabilities — suggesting that Zink should have made the same choice for her son, instead of deciding to “rip him apart.”
http://radio.foxnews.com/2013/05/24/republican-congressman-says-woman-should-have-carried-brain-dead-fetus-to-term/
He did this while citing his own great sympathy and empathy. I only assume he meant toward the collection of cells that cannot experience pain, not to the woman who would have to go through the pain of carrying a brain dead child to term and then delivering, not to mention the psychological anguish of, at best, having to see a brain dead child after all of that and, at worst, to watch a child live in agony that she could have prevented.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2013/05/louie-gohmert-woman-should-carry-brain-dead-fetus-to-term/
Despite the deep unpopularity of fetal personhood bills in 2012, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) has again decided to cosponsor the Sanctity of Human Life Act, a bill that gives full legal rights to human zygotes from the moment of fertilization.
Ryan, who reportedly has 2016 presidential ambitions, had to de-emphasize his opposition to abortion without exceptions during the 2012 election to align his position with presidential candidate Mitt Romney. But this year, Ryan has been tapped as a keynote speaker for the anti-abortion group Susan B. Anthony List's sixth annual Campaign for Life Gala, and he is re-upping his support for the most extreme anti-abortion legislation in the country.
The personhood bill, first introduced in 2011 by Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) and reintroduced by Broun last week, specifies that a "one-celled human embryo," even before it implants in the uterus to create a pregnancy, should be granted "all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood." Similar legislation has been rejected by voters in multiple states, including the socially conservative Mississippi, because legal experts have pointed out that it could outlaw some forms of birth control and in vitro fertilization as well as criminalize abortion at all stages.
Broun said in a statement that a zygote's right to life should be "defended vigorously and at all costs."
"As a physician, I know that human life begins with fertilization, and I remain committed to ending abortion in all stages of pregnancy," he said. "I will continue to fight this atrocity on behalf of the unborn, and I hope my colleagues will support me in doing so."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/paul-ryan-personhood-bill_n_2440365.html
Personhood Bills and Ballots have been introduced in 9 states. Here is the status of each of these legislative initiatives in each state:
Alabama Kansas Oklahoma
Arkansas Mississippi South Carolina
Iowa North Dakota Washington
http://www.resolve.org/get-involved/personhood-bills-and-ballot-initiatives.html
Yes, they might have been repealed, but it doesnt stop them trying
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