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truckinslave -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 2:08:08 PM)

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What do you do when there are two people who need a procedure but there is only enough medical capacity for one?" The "death panel" decides who is the most worthy. Age? Social standing? ????


Well, sure, but those criteria will be far behind more important things like party affiliation, minority status, political refugee status, and illegal alien-ism lol



mnottertail -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 2:14:37 PM)

illegal alienism is dismissed out of hand.  we can afford to lose any 'republicans' cuz they are pretty much brain dead as it is, and that cuts the numbers drastically, as well as the horrific drag on our country and its society.



BitaTruble -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 2:21:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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You're impression is incorrect.


You just can't make this shit up.

I also looked up- verrrry cursorily- the "open enrollment" blather. One of the "qualifying life events" that entitles one to open enrollment is.... wait for it...... wait....... wait..... not much longer...... moving to another state.... TADA.

So, for the price of a tank of gas and a deposit on an apartment, insurance to cover your cancer.....


First of all, you don't need any special circumstances during open enrollment. What you are talking about is special enrollments which take place outside
of open enrollment periods.

The first scenario you put forth did not include moving to a new state. You simply wrote along the lines of .. Hey, if I get sick, I'll just get insurance then!

You did not say.. "Hey, if I get sick, I'll just move to a new state and get insurance then!" If you had said that, I wouldn't have responded because that is something
you are capable of doing with or without insurance company approval.

There are several exemptions. Getting sick and trying to get insurance at that time is not one of them. But, yes, if someone has the means and energy to move
to another state while they are dealing with cancer, they have 60 days once they move to make that happen. Between the move and the new insurance actually kicking
in, the patient is responsible for all their own medical bills. How long does it take to find a place, move, get insurance and then have it kick in? I don't know but I
do know that some cancers are quite aggressive and hopefully, for those folks who are so unfortunate as to get cancer and choose to move to a new state
for insurance purposes, they will have enough time to do so.

Again.. timing matters. There is no 'open' open enrollment. There are certain things that are exemptions.. that has not changed though. The same exemptions are in
place and were in place before the ACA. Nothing on that front has changed and you implied that your impression was that they had.

They have not.



DomKen -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 2:21:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

They're not going to pay for it.
They are going to deny care.
That's what the death panels are for.

There is no provision any where in the ACA, or any federal law, to have any panel deny care to anyone. You are simply repeating a lie that was debunked 4 years ago.



DomKen -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 2:23:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: papassion


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

well, what you are missing is that with no insurance you would pay the 100K plus.



pay attention. What I said is you sign up after you know you need expensive treatment. Unless Obama lied, they cannot refuse you insurance for a pre-existing condition. (the expensive treatment you need)

You do understand that coverage does not start the instant you pay the premium right? It's not terribly common that something really expensive can be delayed for the 30 days it will take a new policy to take effect.



BitaTruble -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 2:33:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

You do understand that coverage does not start the instant you pay the premium right? It's not terribly common that something really expensive can be delayed for the 30 days it will take a new policy to take effect.


That depends on the life change event. Births are covered from day of birth. Most other events, people have to wait for the first of the month following the
month in which they enrolled before the 15th of that month and, general rule is you only have 60- days from the date of the event to apply.. otherwise, again,
you have to wait for open enrollment.

So, apply on Feb 15th, pay the premium and insurance would start April 1. Apply on Feb 14th, pay the premium an insurance would start March 1. Have a baby on Feb 14th or 15th and their insurance starts the day
they were born - (You may or may not have additional premiums due for the new baby but that depends on what your current insurance covers. Some family plans offer family's of four the same price as family's of three.)



LookieNoNookie -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 2:54:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Hey man, I agree. When the right wants to go from $5 trill in surplus to $6 trill more in debt...start two new wars...create a 1/2 trill new drug benny...among a long list of more corruptions...they get it done.

The dems...mere amateurs.


I must have missed something in the past few years.

When, exactly, did we have a 5 trillion dollar surplus?



LookieNoNookie -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 2:55:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I say do it.  Remember, I look forward to simple singlepayer national healthcare.


You can have one or the other.

Not both.



LookieNoNookie -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 2:57:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

They're not going to pay for it.
They are going to deny care.
That's what the death panels are for.

so medicare is also gonna get these death panels?


They're called "Insurance Adjusters" in the private sector. (Cost containment...pretty standard stuff).

Ain't nothing new under the sun...the media just came up with a catchy phrase for what has existed for thousands of years.



LookieNoNookie -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 2:59:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

The only purpose for the death panels is to ration (i.e. deny) care.



The only purpose of private insurance co's is to return money to their shareholders.

And... you are aware, I presume, that the private insurance co's have "death panels"?





(See?)



mnottertail -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 2:59:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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I say do it.  Remember, I look forward to simple singlepayer national healthcare.


You can have one or the other.

Not both.


The gravamen of my thoughts as expressed out here for years and years.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 3:00:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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The only purpose of private insurance co's is to return money to their shareholders.


Which they do best by retaining their current customers and attracting new ones. And that doesn't happen unless they provide superior customer service.

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And... you are aware, I presume, that the private insurance co's have "death panels"?


No. They have something called "contracts".


You lived in a home with lead paint as a child, didn't you?



DesideriScuri -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 3:58:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Hey man, I agree. When the right wants to go from $5 trill in surplus to $6 trill more in debt...start two new wars...create a 1/2 trill new drug benny...among a long list of more corruptions...they get it done.
The dems...mere amateurs.

I must have missed something in the past few years.
When, exactly, did we have a 5 trillion dollar surplus?


It was the "gift" from Clinton to Bush 43. That wasn't really a $5T surplus, either. It was a $5T surplus estimated out over a decade.



LookieNoNookie -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 4:46:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Hey man, I agree. When the right wants to go from $5 trill in surplus to $6 trill more in debt...start two new wars...create a 1/2 trill new drug benny...among a long list of more corruptions...they get it done.
The dems...mere amateurs.

I must have missed something in the past few years.
When, exactly, did we have a 5 trillion dollar surplus?


It was the "gift" from Clinton to Bush 43. That wasn't really a $5T surplus, either. It was a $5T surplus estimated out over a decade.



Yeah.....that's kind of how I recall it as well.

On the other hand, the 7+ trillion negative since....is real.



truckinslave -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 4:50:12 PM)

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How long does it take to find a place, move, get insurance and then have it kick in?


Well.... that depends on the website lol.

If it's working, the first three steps take about half a day... drive across the state line, rent the cheapest place on craigslist, go to McDonalds for some wifi and a cup of good coffee, sign up, drive back to your real home.....




truckinslave -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 4:58:34 PM)

If by debunked you mean "proven true", then you are correct.

No less a lib than Mark Halperin of Time recently discussed the IPABs.... unelected bureaucrats will, as a matter of fact, decide what treatments will be approved, and for whom. Death panels.

American Thinker



Lucylastic -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 5:22:53 PM)

Forbes responds to that, LMAO
Still, Halperin appears painfully unaware of the curbs placed on the powers of the IPAB—along with the creation of a Consumer Advisory Council with specific authority to advise the board of the impact their proposals would have on the general public as the IPAB is barred from recommending cuts to healthcare that threaten Medicare beneficiaries access to care.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/11/26/mark-halperins-sudden-claim-that-obamacare-death-panels-exist-calls-into-question-his-reporting-credibility/



truckinslave -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 6:09:34 PM)

Anyone who thinks that there are any effective curbs on the federal government simply isn't paying attention.

The CAC has the power to advise.... BFD.
...the IPAB is barred from recommending cuts to healthcare that threaten Medicare beneficiaries access to care....

How many lawyers will it take to define that into something unrecognizable? One? Two? They have tens of thousands.




DomKen -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 6:11:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Anyone who thinks that there are any effective curbs on the federal government simply isn't paying attention.

The CAC has the power to advise.... BFD.
...the IPAB is barred from recommending cuts to healthcare that threaten Medicare beneficiaries access to care....

How many lawyers will it take to define that into something unrecognizable? One? Two? They have tens of thousands.



So you're just paranoid. Thanks for clearing that up.



truckinslave -> RE: Obamacare takes off... (12/3/2013 6:28:59 PM)

I am indeed paranoid in regard to the federal gummint- as were, of course, the Founding Fathers.

The dire situation we're in, generally and specifically as regards 0bama0Care, is a direct result of the fact that we have trashed the restrictions they placed on its power. From undeclared unending wars to runaway spending to limitless warrantless eavesdropping to 0bamaoCare, anyone who is unaware there is no curb on the federal government isn't paying attention.




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