Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law

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Missokyst -> Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 9:17:15 AM)
Wow... just wow. Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law Michigan lawmakers passed a controversial measure on Wednesday that will ban all insurance plans in the state from covering abortion unless the woman's life is in danger. The law, which takes effect in March, will force women and employers to purchase a separate abortion rider if they would like the procedure covered, even in cases of rape and incest. Supporters of the "Abortion Insurance Opt-Out Act" argue that it allows people who are opposed to abortion to avoid paying into a plan that covers it. Opponents have nicknamed it the "rape insurance" initiative, because it would force some women to anticipate the possibility of being raped by purchasing the extra abortion insurance ahead of time. “This tells women who were raped … that they should have thought ahead and planned for it,” said Senate Minority Leader Gretchen Whitmer (D-East Lansing) during debates. “Make no mistake, this is anything but a citizens' initiative. It’s a special interest group’s perverted dream come true.” The Michigan State Legislature first passed the measure last year, but Governor Rick Snyder (R) vetoed it, saying he does not "believe it is appropriate to tell a woman who becomes pregnant due to a rape that she needed to select elective insurance coverage." But the anti-abortion group Right to Life of Michigan was able to collect more than 300,000 voter signatures on a petition this year to force a second vote on the measure. Having been passed by both chambers, the bill automatically becomes law now, even without Snyder's approval. More than 80 percent of private insurance plans currently cover abortions, the New York Times reported, citing research organization the Guttmacher Institute. Eight states have passed similar laws banning the insurance coverage of abortion, according to the Guttmacher Institute, but only two of them have actually made the abortion rider available to women. Several Democratic women lawmakers became emotional during debates on Wednesday as they told personal stories of miscarriage and abortion, and State Rep. David Knezek (D) blasted the measure as misogynistic. "This body made up of 80 percent men will make a decision that will impact 100 percent of women," he said. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/11/michigan-rape-insurance_n_4428432.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003&icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl19%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D418423

truckinslave -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 11:43:36 AM)
Wow... just wow. The voters actually won one. I too am shocked. I wonder what would have happened had dims tried to amend the original bill simply to allow insurance companies to cover termination of pregnancy caused by rape (reported at the time of the assault). But I am sure dims insisted on total defeat of he measure, as no compromise with abortion-on-demand is ever allowed. The whole thing gives me hope, of course. Forcing anyone to pay a third party to kill a baby is just beyond barbaric.

DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 11:52:34 AM)
One more case for the Supreme Court docket.... [sm=beatdeadhorse.gif]

mnottertail -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 11:53:56 AM)
Yeah the nutsackers are lying that the voters did this and that, pure lie. 300k is not the voters. It is only the loudmouth fishwives. Nustackers licking the ass of the special interests, as is their wont.

Yachtie -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 12:12:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Yeah the nutsackers are lying that the voters did this and that, pure lie. 300k is not the voters. It is only the loudmouth fishwives. Nustackers licking the ass of the special interests, as is their wont. But the anti-abortion group Right to Life of Michigan was able to collect more than 300,000 voter signatures on a petition this year to force a second vote on the measure. Having been passed by both chambers, the bill automatically becomes law now, even without Snyder's approval. Well, there ya go. The voters representatives did do it, just like in Washington, DC. [:D]

tazzygirl -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 12:12:30 PM)
7,454,553 voters registered in Michigan. 4,780,701 voters who cast ballots 2012. 300K signed a petition. Your math skills are slipping, truckin. Insurance companies were not "forced" to cover abortions. They opted too. Of the roughly 23,000 reported abortions in the state last year — the second-fewest in 30 years — health insurance covered 739, or 3.3 percent, according to state statistics. So now they buy a rider plan instead, if they use it at all. Pst.... A thrust behind the legislation is keeping taxpayer-subsidized plans on Michigan’s new insurance marketplace from covering abortions, an option for states under the federal health care law. Yet the state says none of the 73 plans being offered to individuals covers elective or voluntary abortions. Three of the 68 small employer plans do and are sold by one insurer — United Healthcare Life Insurance Co. — said Caleb Buhs, spokesman for the Department of Insurance and Financial Services. ......... “The women who are using health insurance to cover terminations of pregnancies often are women who are in their second trimesters or after who have wanted pregnancies where something went horribly wrong,” said Sen. Rebekah Warren, an Ann Arbor Democrat. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/12/08/few-abortions-covered-with-insurance-in-michigan/ Lovely thought...... So while you stand up and cheer, applauding all the women who use insurance to cover the costs of abortions, ignore the fact that many of these women wanted their babies, many never dreamed of having an abortion..... Sometimes an abortion is NOT an option.

Lucylastic -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 12:17:36 PM)
Now they (300,000)can be happy to force any woman who cant afford the procedure in a back alley, let alone a hospital, have medicare, and maternity care, and force her to a life changing event for the remainder of her life and still look down on her as a moocher, lowlife welfare mum, poverty dwelling scumbag. That will come out of their pockets. YAY michigan..... scum sucking dick waffles.

truckinslave -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 12:18:10 PM)
Well, perhaps. I know of no cases where the courts have ruled taxpayers must fund abortion in contravention of state law. I know of no cases where the courts have ruled that states cannot bar insurance companies from covering certain procedures.... But- perhaps.

Lucylastic -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 12:21:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl 7,454,553 voters registered in Michigan. 4,780,701 voters who cast ballots 2012. 300K signed a petition. Your math skills are slipping, truckin. Insurance companies were not "forced" to cover abortions. They opted too. Of the roughly 23,000 reported abortions in the state last year — the second-fewest in 30 years — health insurance covered 739, or 3.3 percent, according to state statistics. So now they buy a rider plan instead, if they use it at all. Pst.... A thrust behind the legislation is keeping taxpayer-subsidized plans on Michigan’s new insurance marketplace from covering abortions, an option for states under the federal health care law. Yet the state says none of the 73 plans being offered to individuals covers elective or voluntary abortions. Three of the 68 small employer plans do and are sold by one insurer — United Healthcare Life Insurance Co. — said Caleb Buhs, spokesman for the Department of Insurance and Financial Services. ......... “The women who are using health insurance to cover terminations of pregnancies often are women who are in their second trimesters or after who have wanted pregnancies where something went horribly wrong,” said Sen. Rebekah Warren, an Ann Arbor Democrat. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/12/08/few-abortions-covered-with-insurance-in-michigan/ Lovely thought...... So while you stand up and cheer, applauding all the women who use insurance to cover the costs of abortions, ignore the fact that many of these women wanted their babies, many never dreamed of having an abortion..... Sometimes an abortion is NOT an option. Dead fetuses are the ONLY consideration with people like that....spit hiss Womens lives. pah

truckinslave -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 12:24:00 PM)
quote: Sometimes an abortion is NOT an option. I think you meant that sometimes abortions are necessary. That's true, but few if any have ever argued against abortion to save the life of the mother. The rest of the time they're just death-for-the sake-of-convenience.

mnottertail -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 12:30:34 PM)
as is the factual case, death may not be the word, but nonetheless, given the propensity for nutsackers to eschew abortions, they damn sure are all for letting them die once they pop out in a very fuck em sort of way. Its all timing with the nutsackers, I suppose.

PeonForHer -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 12:45:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail as is the factual case, death may not be the word, but nonetheless, given the propensity for nutsackers to eschew abortions, they damn sure are all for letting them die once they pop out in a very fuck em sort of way. Its all timing with the nutsackers, I suppose. I never did quite get that contradiction. The life of every foetus is sacred but, once said foetus is out of the womb, the state should never pay a damned thing to keep it alive; moreover, the older the kid gets, the more the state should have the right to take its life if it does something too naughty.

ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 12:54:02 PM)
Where do I sign up to make sure none of my tax dollars are used to fund illegal wars, drones strikes on civilians, subsidies to huge corporations, and a list of others? How is it possible that a group of religious fundMENTALists can get their way on this?

Lucylastic -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 1:02:40 PM)
Its not like they have many poor in Michigan... oh hang on..... 1.7 million Michiganians see their benefits cut by $183 million, On Nov 1st 2013 SNap benefits and a whole range of rules added, - See more at: http://www.mlpp.org/food-assistance-at-risk#sthash.21EDGfNM.dpuf

thishereboi -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 2:57:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Wow... just wow. The voters actually won one. I too am shocked. I wonder what would have happened had dims tried to amend the original bill simply to allow insurance companies to cover termination of pregnancy caused by rape (reported at the time of the assault). But I am sure dims insisted on total defeat of he measure, as no compromise with abortion-on-demand is ever allowed. The whole thing gives me hope, of course. Forcing anyone to pay a third party to kill a baby is just beyond barbaric. Voters didn't have anything to do with this. Aprox 4% of the state population signed the petition that led to this. It's a shame it didn't have to go through the governor who most likely would have killed it like the last time they tried or get put to a vote and allow the whole state a voice in the matter.

sloguy02246 -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 3:38:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking One more case for the Supreme Court docket.... [sm=beatdeadhorse.gif] Absolutely yes - and the sooner the better.

LadyPact -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 4:08:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Now they (300,000)can be happy to force any woman who cant afford the procedure in a back alley, let alone a hospital, have medicare, and maternity care, and force her to a life changing event for the remainder of her life and still look down on her as a moocher, lowlife welfare mum, poverty dwelling scumbag. That will come out of their pockets. YAY michigan..... scum sucking dick waffles. I was looking for the words to properly convey My reaction to this thread. Thank you for your help in this matter.

tazzygirl -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 5:44:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: Sometimes an abortion is NOT an option. I think you meant that sometimes abortions are necessary. That's true, but few if any have ever argued against abortion to save the life of the mother. The rest of the time they're just death-for-the sake-of-convenience. No, I said just what I meant. Sometimes abortions are NOT an option. Just like sometimes surgery is NOT elective. So many wander around without a clue what happens when something goes wrong with a pregnancy. If you are going to preach and cheer for something you dont understand.........

truckinslave -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 5:52:04 PM)
quote: So many wander around without a clue what happens when something goes wrong with a pregnancy Yeah. Like that's when women get abortions.

tazzygirl -> RE: Michigan 'Rape Insurance' Bill Passes Into Law (12/12/2013 6:21:15 PM)
Like when a fetus is expected to die in utero. According to your belief, she should have to wait until her very own life is in danger before having it removed. And thats just the tip of the iceberg. Ignorance in regards to the very many facets of this issue is really no excuse if someone is going to spout the party line.

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