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First of all, the school bombing 90 years ago was not a student but a 55 year old man who pulled that one, so it is irrelevant, if we are looking at students doing the killing.
I think the reason that these killings done by by students are hitting the headlines so much is because it has been done by students - kids who shouldn't have had access to guns in the first place.
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Second, these school shootings are happening in schools that are not in the inner cities, why?
Answer, the schools in the inner cities have had increased security since the 80's when gang members started bringing gang wars into the schools.
The UK isn't much different to the US in how schooling is done in general.
The major difference is, our kids can't usually get hold of guns to be able to cause so much havoc.
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Third, when an incident involving a 7 year old bringing daddy's pistol to school, there is a problem, and it is not the fact that he brought the gun to school, it is the fact he was able to get to that gun in the first place.
And that has been our contention all along from us Brits.
We probably get as many problems with drugs, bullying, bad parenting, crap teachers etc.
The only major differences I noticed with the US schools I saw and those around me in my local community are 3 things -
1) Most of our kids, even if they have them, aren't allowed to use their own transport to go to school. Our schools don't provide parking places for kids with cars or motorbikes/scooters. Heck, most schools here don't have facilities for push-bikes.
2) Our gang culture, what there is of it, is quite severely stamped on inside the schools. Yes, like anywhere else, we do get some bullying, but that is also frequently dealt with quite severely and the bullies are often expelled from schools. Even the gangs outside of schools are quite rare and are kept under watch from the local constabulary and flare-ups are minimal.
3) Our schools have opted for in-school random searches rather than fortify the buildings with metal scanners and armed guards. This is also true of most public places - malls, libraries, parks, municipal buildings etc. The only place I've regularly seen metal detectors are at airports and court buildings and even they aren't usually manned by armed personnel.
And why is our aproach so different to the US one?
Quite simply, because gun ownership is so low as to not pose a general threat.
Ergo, armed personnel are not required.
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Now the Brits are telling us how to run our country, in the area of guns at least. Evidently they either have failed to remember the revolution or they are stuck in the "our way is a hell of a lot better than anyone else's" mentality. Specifically in the banning of guns for private ownership.
Could that be because, when the revolution happened, we had much the same mentality as those in the US with much the same constitution (which yours is based on). Since that time, two centuries ago, we saw what was happening in the US and decided to nip the problem in the bud before it got too out of hand and removed most guns from the populace.
We evolved and no longer live like the wild west whereas the US have clung to their gun ownership and made a deliberate effort not to give them up.
Remember, our gun laws are still fairly new and the Australian laws newer still.
Why is that do you think?
Do you seriously think you need arms to overthrow any modern government you don't like?
Do you think you need arms to usurp some unbridled power that might arise from any modern US ruler?
Many countries have managed that without such prolification of personal gun ownership - even countries that are run by hard-line dictators.
Greece is a modern country that has recently done that.
And, as I have said several times in several threads, guns aren't banned in the UK, just severely restricted.
Anyone who wants one and passes the requirements can get a license to buy one.
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So here a few questions that I have asked before, and no one on the anti gun side has even bothered to answer.
1) how did this kid get the gun in the first place?
Stole it from their parents.
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2) In all the student killing students gun incidents, how did any of them get the guns?
Stole it from parents in most cases.
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You want to solve the problem, answer those two questions.
If, and this is where we have a big difference of opinion, those guns weren't so freely available in the first place, they couldn't have been stolen from the parents by those kids.
If, guns weren't so freely available on every street corner, it wouldn't have been the weapon of choice.
If, guns weren't so easy to acquire with no paperwork and checks, I doubt if we would see quite so many shootings.
Answer: no guns and no common gun ownership, no shootings.
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JLF, that's beyond pathetic, and I think you know it. Heads up: It's centuries past the time when it was plausible to complain about a tiny island the other side of the Atlantic bullying the USA. You bully yourselves plenty well enough for any other nation to want to bother. For an example: re-read the title of this thread.
which is also way more often a topic in the UK (at times even from folks who are younger than myself) as if it would have just been 5 years ago instead of decades, than it is in Germany....
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