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lovethyself -> RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? (12/18/2013 9:10:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
I've always been a huge advocate of folks working more with the Positive Experience and Upcoming Events section. I think those things give people hope when a lot of folks come here wondering if people really do these things.

I also think we're missing out in something that has fallen by the wayside that we don't seem to encourage folks to hit the Humor and Games section like we used to. It gave people a chance to get to know people and let them ease into things here. Believe it or not, that's worked for more than a few folks around here.



LP, I think it's in the Forum guidelines or the FAQ (wherever they list the explanation for the vanilla cone) that if you want to up your post count and rid yourself of the vanilla cone, to go play in the humour and games section. I vaguely recall reading that in the beginning, and that's honestly where the majority of my post count comes from. I figured if I had a higher count, I would get more benefit of doubt on my posts, since I wouldn't appear to be a complete newbie to the forums.

Plus, I like parts of that area (LOTPW is fun *giggles*).

The up coming events is a dead avenue in my city. I think I've come across maybe 2 people in our kink community that are actually on (or have been on) CM, and neither posted on the forums. I know Lucylastic is in my city, but I haven't met her in person yet. Everyone is on Fet, that's where the event listing are, the local groups, etc. Why would I post about my local event in the forums when I know that no one that will come is going to read it here?

Personally, the positive experiences section, while heartwarming to read, is somewhat hindered by the requirement to name the person you've met. This is primarily a dating site. While there are social aspects of it, that's what most of the people with profiles are interested in. That being said, do I really want to name the person that is now my ex, even if everything is fine between us? I don't know who he is going to date next, or if she will even be sane. I'd be fine sharing my experience, from my perspective. What I don't like is being forced to name someone if I want to share that experience. I don't understand why it's forced for positive experiences, and banned for negative ones.




iaminigo -> RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? (12/18/2013 9:16:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1


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ORIGINAL: iaminigo


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I already answered that question. There's nothing on this side of the site that will make a statistical impact on percentage of posters retained per number of new OPs. To increase the number of posters retained per month, one would have to increase the number of repeat impressions on the profile side, especially impressions generated by single women. If the same number of single women posted here as posted here a few years ago, this would be a hopping place. It's like a bar: make the woman happy and the guys will show. But that's a deep project, requiring a lot more than forum modification.


I respectfully disagree. A simple post-first-post survey would tell us the facts.

The difference is that I know what I'm talking about, and you don't. The retention percentage here is comparable to that of reddit, and multiple StackExchange sites. I'm not really giving you an opinion. I'm telling you what is well understood by social network engineering.



You seem to have access to stats I don't. Care to share? Then we can compare reddit retention, etc..




VideoAdminGamma -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/18/2013 9:35:13 PM)

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There was some good ideas thrown out in the beginning and it has already caused a couple of changes (no more vanilla for one). I hope the ideas continue coming so that we can retain more new members that come over from the forum side without having to coddle them.

For those that gave constructive ideas and continued in that positive theme I thank you.

Gamma




RedMagic1 -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/18/2013 10:04:14 PM)

Just to be clear, Gamma, I think there's real value in the forum upgrades you and others have already done and are planning, and also some proposals on this thread. But I think you'll find the effect is one of extending the lifespan of current posters on this site, and reactivating some posters who are currently gone. It will have the greatest effect on people already recruited into the structure. So I'm not trying to minimize your work, at all. I think it's important, and that's why I stayed on the thread.

Have a great night.




VideoAdminChi -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 5:28:57 AM)

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(no more vanilla for one)


With two exceptions [8D]






ShaharThorne -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 5:57:06 AM)

Coddling new people will cost ya.

I am running out of fixin's for fudge...enough said.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 6:03:32 AM)

Fr:

I like the change to new member....much thanks.




iaminigo -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 8:18:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminGamma

Fast reply

There was some good ideas thrown out in the beginning and it has already caused a couple of changes (no more vanilla for one). I hope the ideas continue coming so that we can retain more new members that come over from the forum side without having to coddle them.

For those that gave constructive ideas and continued in that positive theme I thank you.

Gamma


Yay to the "Vanilla" change!






Moonhead -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 10:15:20 AM)

Well quite: everybody in this thread threw such a shitfit over the "vanilla" tag when they started posting that they flounced off in a snit and never came back, didn't they?
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Greta75 -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 11:09:42 AM)

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I think we just need to be kinder to new posters, especially newbies to bdsm. I know many experienced folks here get super duper annoyed with subs who think their bdsm experience is sooo super special that their life can never be normal again. And they get even more irritated if the poster is of like an older age, because somehow, they expect adults that advance in age to be alot wiser in dealing with things like that.

But I think it's like adults who forget how it's like to be a teenager. To me, a newbie BDSM'er is like a teenager just discovering puppy love. Everything she feels is real to her, and like a teenager, I think any condescending comments towards her is counter-productive.

But I've never been into tough love. The ones who appreciate tough love will get it, but let's face it, the world is getting softer and tough love is way too old school. I grew up on super tough love, a generation where teachers don't get in trouble for beating you in school or being verbally harsh with you. I think it's over-rated.




Moonhead -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 11:15:05 AM)

I'd go along with that.
On a "tough love/you big softie you" note it's interesting that the way this thread (and its title) has shifted from any notion of the regulars modifying their behaviour to make the newbies feel more welcome, to ways in which the newbies can be placed under heavier manners without having them run screaming off to FetLife or IC.
Now I wonder if that might be indicative of part of the problem that led to the original OP?
[;)]




Apocalypso -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 11:27:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
Don't chase away the good posters who are good reads. The example that I think of is simply Michael, who left after being put on moderation.

Yeah, that's an interesting example. The 'mistake' SimplyMichael made was assuming that he could get away with using a posting style on the regulars that they want to see exclusively reserved for newbies.




Spiritedsub2 -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 11:43:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
Don't chase away the good posters who are good reads. The example that I think of is simply Michael, who left after being put on moderation.

Yeah, that's an interesting example. The 'mistake' SimplyMichael made was assuming that he could get away with using a posting style on the regulars that they want to see exclusively reserved for newbies.

SimplyMichael is the primary person I was speaking of when I pointed out (IMO) that the need to retain seasoned posters is at least as important as the need to keep newbies. But my comment was met with "don't post off topic".

Edited to add: Michael also started a large percentage of the thread topics that generated many of the most interesting discussions. His departure is noticeable on this forum.




needlesandpins -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 11:48:30 AM)

I've been away so not read all the thread. so I apologise if my suggestion has already been posted.

I've been saying for ages now that new members should not be allowed to post for five days. this would stop a lot of the impulse angry 'I can't get laid, so everyone is a fake. you lot are stupid and need warning about this' threads. make only a certain section of the site available to them where all those repeated threads are, so that they can see for themselves just how many people have whinged about it already.

have a section called 'top whinge' just for all the threads about fakes, scammers, fat people, skinny people, etc.

by the time the five days are up, and the guys have run out of steam they may have something more constructive to post. if not it gets moved into the top whinge section with the rest.

as for coddling. the people that come here are adults, and should conduct themselves as such, and as they would in real life. if they don't then they deserve to be treated just as you would treat them in real life. I call a spade a spade whether it's in my shed, or in the garden. we should be able to call someone out on their twatish behaviour whether in here or in real life.

all this bull about coding.......give it a break guys. I know next to nothing about coding, but I still own and manage 5 websites, one of which is a forum that strips the arse end off of this thing. if I can do it then i'm damn sure someone on the team must be able to.

needles




Greta75 -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 11:49:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2
SimplyMichael is the primary person I was speaking of when I pointed out (IMO) that the need to retain seasoned posters is at least as important as the need to keep newbies. But my comment was met with "don't post off topic".

I've been away from this forum for awhile, just because, it was slow moving and I thought I go away for a while then come back, there will be more interesting topics then.
But sad to hear SimplyMichael has left, because I remembered I enjoyed his posts. And he was a wealth of knowledge too.




Apocalypso -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 12:06:57 PM)

Is anyone still in contact with SimplyMichael? If so, what are the chances of him being persuaded to return?




Moonhead -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 12:11:19 PM)

It might take more than changing the "vanilla" tag to lure him back, sadly.




MariaB -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 12:45:41 PM)



'New poster' is sooooooo much better. Thanks for listening to us mods!




MariaB -> RE: What can we do to retain new posters? (12/19/2013 12:47:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

Is anyone still in contact with SimplyMichael? If so, what are the chances of him being persuaded to return?


SM is still around on other sites along with Merc and beth and Darcy and dark.

All five were great posters who I hugely miss on here but I don't think they will be coming back.




LadyPact -> RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? (12/19/2013 1:08:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lovethyself
LP, I think it's in the Forum guidelines or the FAQ (wherever they list the explanation for the vanilla cone) that if you want to up your post count and rid yourself of the vanilla cone, to go play in the humour and games section. I vaguely recall reading that in the beginning, and that's honestly where the majority of my post count comes from. I figured if I had a higher count, I would get more benefit of doubt on my posts, since I wouldn't appear to be a complete newbie to the forums.

Plus, I like parts of that area (LOTPW is fun *giggles*).

That last part I knew. [;)]

It's great that you found that part. However, if the argument is true that a lot of folks don't read the guidelines and FAQs before diving in, it goes to the same principle. In fact, I think you are a perfect example of the theory that it helps folks to ease in.

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The up coming events is a dead avenue in my city. I think I've come across maybe 2 people in our kink community that are actually on (or have been on) CM, and neither posted on the forums. I know Lucylastic is in my city, but I haven't met her in person yet. Everyone is on Fet, that's where the event listing are, the local groups, etc. Why would I post about my local event in the forums when I know that no one that will come is going to read it here?

For the very reason being that you don't know. Don't get Me wrong. Fet is vastly superior for finding any current event. What it doesn't do is retain your past events.

There's been an awful lot on this thread to say that new people don't stay because they get treated so harshly on the forums. In My opinion, that's not the whole thing. There's also the part where people split because of the three major complaints. That everybody's fake, a scammer, or into fin kink. If there is something solid that posters can do around here is show people just how incorrect of a premise that can be.

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Personally, the positive experiences section, while heartwarming to read, is somewhat hindered by the requirement to name the person you've met. This is primarily a dating site. While there are social aspects of it, that's what most of the people with profiles are interested in. That being said, do I really want to name the person that is now my ex, even if everything is fine between us? I don't know who he is going to date next, or if she will even be sane. I'd be fine sharing my experience, from my perspective. What I don't like is being forced to name someone if I want to share that experience. I don't understand why it's forced for positive experiences, and banned for negative ones.

A lot of people have the attitude that it's a dating site but the demographics of the posters prove that it's not. If it was, you wouldn't have posters like Oside, MariaB, or Des, or a hundred others I could name, Myself included. Some of those new posters are already in dynamics when they get here, too. We are talking about forum posters here and not profiles.

It is heartwarming to see the threads where people have found each other specifically for a dynamic. I'm a sucker for a happy ending on that front. Still, isn't it also nice to hear the other stuff where it was just a couple of forum members that got the chance to meet and have a cup of coffee? They happen to be in the same city and met at a munch? When one member went to a presentation of the other one? Some of the most popular Positive Experience threads that have been on that forum have been about house parties, gatherings of several CM members in a particular city, or where multiple CM folks took the time to meet each other at an event.

If we're going to look at the whole picture, I don't think we can go only on the theory that new posters don't stay because they are treated harshly on the forums. If that was the case nobody would have stayed because the conversations here have never been about patting people on the head. We also have to look at the fact of how discouraging the place must appear when there are more threads about fakes than there are about people who have met each other face to face and that they are <gasp> doing things.




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