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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 3:21:08 PM   
DsCouple23


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Wow, this is hilarious.

I'll say this, though, DsCouple: a lot of your posts have a competitive air to them.


I found it indicative that he felt it necessary to say that he had been with around 40 women, all at least 7.5s (in another post) and then felt the need to mention that he has a Mercedes.



Find away. lol not sure why you think that all matters to me. Or anyone else.. they can use the search key as good as you can.





I know it doesn't matter to you. That much is really obvious. Clearly, since others have commented, they have also noticed the same behavior. And the search button comment makes no sense.



Reason for mentioning make of car, is cost of driving a mercedes per mile is more than say a prius. If i had a pruis, perhaps it would be a closer value proposition. I like both makes, but telling you that lets you know that it's more expensive to drive than it was to take a luxury bus.

Wasn't to establish anything else but that. Of course, you felt i was boasting or something, instead of understanding i was just stating a relevant fact.

In relation to the 40 women i dated , i was 21 yrs old... about 9 yrs ago... yes i was a bit wild then. What relevance is that?

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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 3:35:58 PM   
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I believe i have run into this before.

Have you ever ran into the sub that didn't want to be a sub, but declared she was a sub?

It seems like there was one in my past. But it could of been the fact i never met her face to face. She was just incapable of following direction (and i didn't assume really any control, prior to our scheduled/failed meeting). For instance:

Her: I would love if you would send me a pic
Me: Sure, but it is pic for pic, so if i send one , you send one.
Her: OK :)
Me: Pic
Her: say please!
Me: I can't be handled that way, i don't say please when it is unecessary, and in this case it isn't, it's pic for pic, i have delivered, now its your turn.
Her: MMM I forgot how awesome you were, i'm not at home, i will send it tonight when i get home for u :)

Elapsed a day or so, no pic.

Then i called her out, then she said "say please" and i reffered her over to my last text lol.

Seems as though this one (this happened a year ago btw, and i have a good memory), just didn't want to be sub... instead just wanted to screw around and waste time.

Thoughts? Are there a lot of so called submissives that truly are not submissive, or is it me? Quite frankly after our interactions (there is much more history not disclosed from this particular one), i would say any dom who ever had her, could not control her unless face to face, and even then would have to modify her behaviour really really significantly to tame her.

J


I don't see her as non-submissive.

If you did not "own" her, no matter how many times you met or time you feel you invested, then demands may not have sit well with her.
She wanted politeness.
I don't see that as a bratty quality.
It is a personal preference that is apparently incompatible with your persona.


What is bothering me about your post is that it really has a sour grapes tone to it.
It happened quite awhile ago.
You got along well enough until she made the request and now you are pointing out all the things that were wrong with her.


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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 3:39:03 PM   
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Fast reply......

In My opinion, I am not in the position to give orders of any kind to anyone unless they belong to Me. Yep, that means I say "please" when I am asking for something.


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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 3:56:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ


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ORIGINAL: DsCouple23

I believe i have run into this before.

Have you ever ran into the sub that didn't want to be a sub, but declared she was a sub?

It seems like there was one in my past. But it could of been the fact i never met her face to face. She was just incapable of following direction (and i didn't assume really any control, prior to our scheduled/failed meeting). For instance:

Her: I would love if you would send me a pic
Me: Sure, but it is pic for pic, so if i send one , you send one.
Her: OK :)
Me: Pic
Her: say please!
Me: I can't be handled that way, i don't say please when it is unecessary, and in this case it isn't, it's pic for pic, i have delivered, now its your turn.
Her: MMM I forgot how awesome you were, i'm not at home, i will send it tonight when i get home for u :)

Elapsed a day or so, no pic.

Then i called her out, then she said "say please" and i reffered her over to my last text lol.

Seems as though this one (this happened a year ago btw, and i have a good memory), just didn't want to be sub... instead just wanted to screw around and waste time.

Thoughts? Are there a lot of so called submissives that truly are not submissive, or is it me? Quite frankly after our interactions (there is much more history not disclosed from this particular one), i would say any dom who ever had her, could not control her unless face to face, and even then would have to modify her behaviour really really significantly to tame her.

J


I don't see her as non-submissive.

If you did not "own" her, no matter how many times you met or time you feel you invested, then demands may not have sit well with her.
She wanted politeness.
I don't see that as a bratty quality.
It is a personal preference that is apparently incompatible with your persona.


What is bothering me about your post is that it really has a sour grapes tone to it.
It happened quite awhile ago.
You got along well enough until she made the request and now you are pointing out all the things that were wrong with her.



Thank you for the completely professional and intelligent response, perhaps i am sour a bit. You are right i believe. It's not easy for me to share experiences like this, because quiet frankly i put a ton of time and effort into the situation, and unfortunately, it didn't work out.
She may be submissive, i can swallow that.

But, she also may be too immature to be dependable / not a flake.

She proved to me she ordered that plane ticket. It cost her 200 dollars not to go. I already had the room reserved for our weekend... It was a loss on my end too.

Very anticlimactic .

There where a lot of red flags in hindsight, but i believe at that time i was too blinded by her beauty and the fact that she was a sub, rather than looking out for what was the best decision for me.

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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 4:40:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Fast reply......

In My opinion, I am not in the position to give orders of any kind to anyone unless they belong to Me. Yep, that means I say "please" when I am asking for something.




Hell... I say please even to those I own. Sometimes ;)




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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 4:46:59 PM   
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Hell... I say please even to those I own. Sometimes ;)

Very key word there, KoM. I think it's also important to remember that, in certain situations, with certain people, they get their little joy buzz when they are not asked....... They are told.

If we, as Dominants, realize that a part of our joy comes from a place of being in control, we must also realize that those we own are fulfilled by being controlled.

As Ron would say, you can quote Me.



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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 4:51:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
Hell... I say please even to those I own. Sometimes ;)

Very key word there, KoM. I think it's also important to remember that, in certain situations, with certain people, they get their little joy buzz when they are not asked....... They are told.

If we, as Dominants, realize that a part of our joy comes from a place of being in control, we must also realize that those we own are fulfilled by being controlled.

As Ron would say, you can quote Me.




Master says "please" and he's not asking, it's an order. But, I understand where you're coming from too.




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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 5:12:57 PM   
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Master says "please" and he's not asking, it's an order. But, I understand where you're coming from too.



The tone and inflection of ones voice speaks sometimes more than the words themselves.

"Please get me a water?"

Is very different than

"Please get me a water!"



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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 5:45:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


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Master says "please" and he's not asking, it's an order. But, I understand where you're coming from too.



The tone and inflection of ones voice speaks sometimes more than the words themselves.

"Please get me a water?"

Is very different than

"Please get me a water!"




Exactly.

"Get me a beer, please." and he will say "thank you" when I bring it to him.

Truly one of the things I love about him is the ability to be a sadistic bastard, while still being a gentleman.


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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 5:46:45 PM   
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Ya know, from reading your posts, I think that - and I mean this sincerely and say it in the hope that you might profit from it - you should be willing to embrace at least the possibility that you screwed up, and that there's a chance that she just decided you're a dick.

God knows, this has happened to me in the past.

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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 5:57:16 PM   
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Ya know, from reading your posts, I think that - and I mean this sincerely and say it in the hope that you might profit from it - you should be willing to embrace at least the possibility that you screwed up, and that there's a chance that she just decided you're a dick.

God knows, this has happened to me in the past.


Honestly, i was not a dick, i don't think you read the one post i believe on page 2 , that sets more context to the situation. I was far from a dick. After you read it, you'll understand more as to what has occured. I was merely wanting other people to analyze the situation, instead of just self analysis.

J

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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 5:57:18 PM   
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The time we waste on silliness... is about as questionable as some of the things people do.

If you already question so much and are still trying... I would question why.

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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 5:58:18 PM   
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The time we waste on silliness... is about as questionable as some of the things people do.

If you already question so much and are still trying... I would question why.



I'm not trying, i don't speak with her at all.. havent in about 10 months.... but you would know that if you read the the thread.

J

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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 6:02:34 PM   
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And you would know that thinking about it like this and making it a big deal, is still too much wasted time right?

If you couldn't figure out the 'deal' in ten months, when you can figure out how much it takes to run a certain car, per mile, I wouldn't think this rocket science.

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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 6:17:21 PM   
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I might as well give you the full story because well... it's a hell of a story.

Basically we talked for 3-5mo, facetimed a lot. I know her real name, she knows mine. I know a ton about her. She booked a plane ticket, and we were set to meet in Vegas for a weekend.

The night prior i tell her "do not go out", and me, being the perceptive individual, i already felt as if she would defy me. And, voila .. she did, she went out, got drunk, kissed some other guy (or more who knows), and then that guy drove her home and got a DWI. She then lost her wallet with her ID, which she needed to board the flight (she sent me reciept of the flight, it was real), so basically as i am about to board the bus to Vegas, she is telling me this... lol.

I suppose this at the time was a lesson on " you cant truly control one unless she wants to be, and from afar it's much more difficult to do so".

People get courage when not confronted face to face. Essentially she commited suicide on the relationship and that was it, what is funny is i saw she just opened another profile. I won't name her, but ... it's just so comical to me... i truly feel sorry for the next dom's she deals with. IMO she needs to grow up. I feel that's what's necessary in this case. as well as only face to face domination.



FR:

I don't believe her story. I've got a phone sex guy crying on my shoulder right now because he sent someone $400. to fly in to meet him. Of course, she had some sort of emergency. This guy should be used to it, because it's been done to him several times before. Ladies can come up with a million stories...funny thing is so many of them happen at the last minute.

ETA: This is not something I would ever do. If I plan on meeting someone, they know it. (and I'll generally pay my way) If I don't plan on meeting you, you'll never be waiting at the airport waiting what happened while I come up with a story about my poor Aunt Gina.

< Message edited by xxblushesxx -- 12/23/2013 6:41:41 PM >


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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 6:35:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DsCouple23

I might as well give you the full story because well... it's a hell of a story.

Basically we talked for 3-5mo, facetimed a lot. I know her real name, she knows mine. I know a ton about her. She booked a plane ticket, and we were set to meet in Vegas for a weekend.

The night prior i tell her "do not go out", and me, being the perceptive individual, i already felt as if she would defy me. And, voila .. she did, she went out, got drunk, kissed some other guy (or more who knows), and then that guy drove her home and got a DWI. She then lost her wallet with her ID, which she needed to board the flight (she sent me reciept of the flight, it was real), so basically as i am about to board the bus to Vegas, she is telling me this... lol.

I suppose this at the time was a lesson on " you cant truly control one unless she wants to be, and from afar it's much more difficult to do so".

People get courage when not confronted face to face. Essentially she commited suicide on the relationship and that was it, what is funny is i saw she just opened another profile. I won't name her, but ... it's just so comical to me... i truly feel sorry for the next dom's she deals with. IMO she needs to grow up. I feel that's what's necessary in this case. as well as only face to face domination.



FR:

I don't believe her story. I've got a phone sex guy crying on my shoulder right now because he sent someone $400. to fly in to meet him. Of course, she had some sort of emergency. This guy should be used to it, because it's been done to him several times before. Ladies can come up with a million stories...funny thing is so many of them happen at the last minute.


I agree with this.

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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 7:02:30 PM   
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And you would know that thinking about it like this and making it a big deal, is still too much wasted time right?

If you couldn't figure out the 'deal' in ten months, when you can figure out how much it takes to run a certain car, per mile, I wouldn't think this rocket science.


I did figure out the deal. Was merely using my bad experience as a discussion point. Rawni you are quite a ray of light.

Seriously.

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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 7:04:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DsCouple23

I might as well give you the full story because well... it's a hell of a story.

Basically we talked for 3-5mo, facetimed a lot. I know her real name, she knows mine. I know a ton about her. She booked a plane ticket, and we were set to meet in Vegas for a weekend.

The night prior i tell her "do not go out", and me, being the perceptive individual, i already felt as if she would defy me. And, voila .. she did, she went out, got drunk, kissed some other guy (or more who knows), and then that guy drove her home and got a DWI. She then lost her wallet with her ID, which she needed to board the flight (she sent me reciept of the flight, it was real), so basically as i am about to board the bus to Vegas, she is telling me this... lol.

I suppose this at the time was a lesson on " you cant truly control one unless she wants to be, and from afar it's much more difficult to do so".

People get courage when not confronted face to face. Essentially she commited suicide on the relationship and that was it, what is funny is i saw she just opened another profile. I won't name her, but ... it's just so comical to me... i truly feel sorry for the next dom's she deals with. IMO she needs to grow up. I feel that's what's necessary in this case. as well as only face to face domination.



FR:

I don't believe her story. I've got a phone sex guy crying on my shoulder right now because he sent someone $400. to fly in to meet him. Of course, she had some sort of emergency. This guy should be used to it, because it's been done to him several times before. Ladies can come up with a million stories...funny thing is so many of them happen at the last minute.

ETA: This is not something I would ever do. If I plan on meeting someone, they know it. (and I'll generally pay my way) If I don't plan on meeting you, you'll never be waiting at the airport waiting what happened while I come up with a story about my poor Aunt Gina.


Verified for sure she bought the ticket.
Verified for sure her True identification.


It is possible you are correct, can't rule it out. Not enough facts to know. It's just interesting to me that people do this, after so much time invested... it's like.. why?

Thanks for the post.

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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 7:11:45 PM   
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I don't get the demand for a picture if you had already spoken on a cam.

Beyond that, just because she didn't feel submissive to you doesn't mean she won't submit to someone else.

Just because your wife submits to you doesn't mean anybody else will.

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RE: In your expert opinion... - 12/23/2013 7:18:20 PM   
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Dude, it's you. She's not YOUR submissive so it has nothing to do with her being submissive or not. It just has to do with her being a flirt and you wouldn't play along and that was your choice.

You didn't play along and you didn't flirt back so she got bored and moved on.


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