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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I have no problem with people moving to the states for a chance at a better life, this everyone that is not a Native American descended from immigrants.

However, I am getting really tired having to press 1 for English, dealing with cashiers at stores that do not have a working knowledge of the English language, and outsourcing call centers to other countries is really pissing me off to no end.

This afternoon I had to deal with a Hispanic cashier who could barely speak English, let alone understand it, who so screwed up the checkout that I have to go back to the store Thursday to get it straightened out.

I mean you move to some countries from the US and they expect you to learn the language.

So what the fuck is the problem with having future citizens or people with green cards learn the English language and be proficient to the point that they can understand what the fuck is said to them and can reply in such a manner that you do not start looking for a fucking translator.

Of course now some individuals will now call me a racist, but right now, I am sick and tired of having to deal with people who cant speak the fucking language in this country.

you are blaming immigrants for your profit-motivated US corps outsourcing call centers to other countries? WTF does that have to do with immigrants in the US & exactly how is it their fault???
If you want immigrants to speak and write English then lobby your politicians to make that an immigration requirement.. that's really the only way it will happen..
You don't need a translator.. there's an app for that, actually there appear to be several..
you live in Texas, didn't that state get stolen from the Mexicans? You should have been born speaking Spanish, dude! [:D]

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If the flag is displayed after dark, it should be lit. To have it up in the dark, unlit is disrespectful.

(Keep in mind that San Diego is a military town)

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies
I am actually a little surprised that there isn't a fine or jail term, but I'd still go to the cheapest place if I was skint

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

so basically, as long as the light is broken, the flag should be taken down ?

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Isn't that what the store clerk said he would do though ?

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Nope. No jail, no fine, but it is a guaranteed way to seriously piss off existing and potential customers who care about such things.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

How to display the US flag (in the US or on US soil abroad)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code

Pretty much says it all.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

How to display the US flag (in the US or on US soil abroad)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code

Pretty much says it all.

that pretty much does say it all, Christ it's like it is more valuable than gold dust and more dangerous than plutonium......what exactly happens if you pin a flag to your ceiling? Does democracy fall? Does the earth stop spinning? I'm kidding but seriously, all those standards etc? Blimey!

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

How to display the US flag (in the US or on US soil abroad)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code

Pretty much says it all.

that pretty much does say it all, Christ it's like it is more valuable than gold dust and more dangerous than plutonium......what exactly happens if you pin a flag to your ceiling? Does democracy fall? Does the earth stop spinning? I'm kidding but seriously, all those standards etc? Blimey!

You know, I have no clue what patriotic citizens in the UK hold near and dear to their heart, what pisses em off and what doesnt.

I find it strange they are more than happy to scream about some of our laws, and then turn around and tell us not to worry about how the national flag is treated.

Let me explain something, in order to make it simple.

Every generation of my family on both sides have served in the US military since the Revolution, there is a maternal grandfather buried at Gettysburg, and since the National Cemetery at Arlington was established, a member of both sides of my family has been buried there, sometimes more than one. There was a member of my mother's family at Fort McHenry where the poem "The Star Spangled Banner" was written.

In other words my family and three dear friends have died for that flag, and if you cant understand why some of us get upset when it is burned, flown at night and not lighted, dragged through the dirt by some jack ass yelling "Death to America!"

The first amendment gives people the right to protest in the US and burn the flag, if I happen to get a bit ill tempered and want to beat the living shit out of them, it is my right. It is also my right as an American to tell someone improperly flying the flag they are being disrespectful of that flag.

Given the choice of saving a few bucks or taking my trade elsewhere because someone is too damn ignorant or uncaring about the country he adopted to fly the flag properly, I will spend the extra money.

It is also my right to tell some fuckwad who came to this country and decides learning the language is too much of a chore and expect me to learn theirs to tell them to get the fuck out.

To many of us, it is not a piece of clothe, it is a symbol, it has been a family tradition to serve the ideals behind that flag since before this country was born.

So I will tell you what you do, come to the US, go to some mid west town, announce in the local paper you are going to burn an American flag in front of the courthouse and give the time, and see just how many former vets and patriots show up to beat your ass.

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

It's just a piece of cloth.

64 pieces of cloth, actually, stitched together to form a symbol which is held dear and important to a whole lot of people. There is no requirement whatsoever that a business owner display it, but if he chooses to do so, then he ought to be aware that there is a code that goes along with doing so.

I'd take my business elsewhere, too.

where exactly does the (broken) light fit in? I am not getting the significance of the "light" issue here..

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

There was a little thing called the Texas War of Independence, after a couple of defeats at the hands of Santa Anna at Goliad and the Alamo, this dude from Tennessee kinda kick Santa Anna's butt at San Jacinto. That Mexican general was so scared he was found hiding in a tree in his underwear.

And if you had read the first part of my statement you would have seen my ire was aimed at immigrants who come to this country, dont learn the language and seem to expect us to learn theirs.

As I said, I am fucking sick and tired of having to "Press one for English," and dealing with people holding jobs that makes the fact they dont fully understand the language.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

It's just a piece of cloth.

64 pieces of cloth, actually, stitched together to form a symbol which is held dear and important to a whole lot of people. There is no requirement whatsoever that a business owner display it, but if he chooses to do so, then he ought to be aware that there is a code that goes along with doing so.

I'd take my business elsewhere, too.

where exactly does the (broken) light fit in? I am not getting the significance of the "light" issue here..

If the flag is displayed after dark, it should be lit. To have it up in the dark, unlit is disrespectful.

(Keep in mind that San Diego is a military town)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I have no problem with people moving to the states for a chance at a better life, this everyone that is not a Native American descended from immigrants.

However, I am getting really tired having to press 1 for English, dealing with cashiers at stores that do not have a working knowledge of the English language, and outsourcing call centers to other countries is really pissing me off to no end.

This afternoon I had to deal with a Hispanic cashier who could barely speak English, let alone understand it, who so screwed up the checkout that I have to go back to the store Thursday to get it straightened out.

I mean you move to some countries from the US and they expect you to learn the language.

So what the fuck is the problem with having future citizens or people with green cards learn the English language and be proficient to the point that they can understand what the fuck is said to them and can reply in such a manner that you do not start looking for a fucking translator.

Of course now some individuals will now call me a racist, but right now, I am sick and tired of having to deal with people who cant speak the fucking language in this country.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I have no problem with people moving to the states for a chance at a better life, this everyone that is not a Native American descended from immigrants.

However, I am getting really tired having to press 1 for English, dealing with cashiers at stores that do not have a working knowledge of the English language, and outsourcing call centers to other countries is really pissing me off to no end.

This afternoon I had to deal with a Hispanic cashier who could barely speak English, let alone understand it, who so screwed up the checkout that I have to go back to the store Thursday to get it straightened out.

I mean you move to some countries from the US and they expect you to learn the language.

So what the fuck is the problem with having future citizens or people with green cards learn the English language and be proficient to the point that they can understand what the fuck is said to them and can reply in such a manner that you do not start looking for a fucking translator.

Of course now some individuals will now call me a racist, but right now, I am sick and tired of having to deal with people who cant speak the fucking language in this country.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

According to the company website, all applicants must be proficient in English.

I am sorry, my two year old great nephew has a better vocabulary than some of the people hired around here.

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ORIGINAL: TieMeInKnottss

Just a quick note- I worked in my college's ESL office. Many applicants who came in to learn English were actually first generation born in America people. Some areas with dense immigrant populations make it very easy to never learn English..

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ORIGINAL: TieMeInKnottss
Just a quick note- I worked in my college's ESL office. Many applicants who came in to learn English were actually first generation born in America people. Some areas with dense immigrant populations make it very easy to never learn English..

I worked with a very sweet Mexican lady, she was in her mid-20s and had immigrated as a pre-schooler. She told me that her older brother refused to allow his children to speak English because "that's what the school was for". She told me that it's not an uncommon attitude. All I could think was what horrible parenting it was to send your child to school unprepared, after you have deliberately set them miles behind the other children.