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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 12:59:19 PM

Phydeaux

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In fact, I've seen no evidence of targeting of Palestinian children in any fashion.

None so blinkered as those that will not see Phydeaux.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jul/28/israel

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-crimes-against-humanity-targeting-palestinian-children-with-pinpoint-accuracy/5313293

http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/02/18/israeli-soldier-posts-instagram-photo-of-palestinian-child-in-crosshairs/

http://www.rense.com/general86/break.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7960071.stm

So I read your articles. I find nothing in them that evidences an Israeli targeting of palestinian children.
When Gazans have an uprising - and take cover in mosques, hospitals, youth clubs etc there will be child casualties.

When you have child suicide bombers, soldiers will lose their natural inclination not to shoot children.

So I see many allegations, but no evidence. The death of children is not evidence. Evidence would be soldiers claiming they were directed to target children. It would be investigative reporting on the operational orders of Israeli units.

The source of the palestinian child in the sniper site is from Electronic Intifada. Do you really claim that as an unbiased source. Really?

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 2:16:50 PM

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That's your idea of proof? You can't even provide a link that shows the dates of this day to day/back to back transition? You can't even provide the real name of the person supposedly using both these accounts at the same time? Why not, since you have all this extra-special knowledge?

You are on about what you are always on about... the usual attempt to shout down, drag down, smear down any productive discussion of a destructive issue by denying the documented historical facts and making it always about personal attacks on the person posting.... never about proof.

What I posted about the Holocaust and the connection to the situation in Palestine today is on the record, your attack in direct response is on the record, and my proof is on the record. That 'change the subject' tap dance isn't fooling anyone.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I was on about your slur to Tweaks and the accustion re her posts. Nice to see you change the subject though. fuck knws what the rant about the racist Irving was though, you wont find me saying anything decent about the arsehole.

And heres the thing, some of us find the deaths of children obnoxious, you claiming we do so for amusement is odious.

Regards the sock. One stops posting the day the other one starts, such a coincidence dont you think.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 2:46:27 PM

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When you have child suicide bombers, soldiers will lose their natural inclination not to shoot children.

I read the articles, too. I got a pretty strong feeling that some of these murders of kids were deliberate. More importantly, nothing you said before or after that sentence in your post makes it any more acceptable, Ed. Soldiers are required to be soldiers, not bloody child-killing psychopaths.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 3:17:40 PM

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A soldier who shoots a suicide bomb kid is a bloody psychopath?

If he saves other lives he's a hero to me.
I remember vietnamese bomb kids doing the same and getting shot before they blow up soldiers.
In fact a kid with a bomb or a gun should be considered a childsoldier, period.
Is the bombvest wearing kid not a brainwashed bloody psychopath?
Often the little fuckers are the most dedicated soldiers with enormous pride. If the enemy uses kids to do fighting for them they should expect little bodybags.
Do the fragmented math.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 3:26:00 PM

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A soldier who shoots a suicide bomb kid is a bloody psychopath?

If he saves other lives he's a hero to me.
I remember vietnamese bomb kids doing the same and getting shot before they blow up soldiers.
In fact a kid with a bomb or a gun should be considered a childsoldier, period.
Is the bombvest wearing kid not a brainwashed bloody psychopath?
Often the little fuckers are the most dedicated soldiers with enormous pride. If the enemy uses kids to do fighting for them they should expect little bodybags.
Do the fragmented math.

I agree. And I'm glad that the Nazis took the same view of Dutch children when they invaded Holland, Mr B. Perfectly reasonable, not to say moral of them.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 3:53:50 PM

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Dutch kids were running underground newspapers and messages for all I know, not bombvests or guns to shoot germans. Germans just shot, gassed and killed anybody they liked period.

You're kinda comparing the IDF to the nazis now.

What were you saying again bout dutch kids?

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 3:56:20 PM

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It might be an idea to examine the thesis that the Palestinian children being shot by the IDF are suicide bombers.

According to the most biased source of all, the IDF itself, there were a grand total of 29 child suicide bomb attempts involving Palestinian children, the last occurring in 2004, almost a decade ago. (source)

At least 1358 Palestinian children have been killed by the IDF. If we grant the most generous assumption that 29 (c2%)* of those children were suicide bombers, that leaves another 1329 (or c 98%)deaths to be accounted for .

Conclusion : On the IDF's own figures IDF soldiers killing child suicide bombers can only account for 2% of the fatalities. That means 98% of the deaths were down to other factors/situations. The thesis is unsustainable, at best it can only account for 2% of the deaths.

* This figure of 29 deaths is an over estimate. A number of the alleged child bombers were captured by the IDF and their bomb vests rendered harmless. So the true number is less than 29.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 4:02:16 PM

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As the UN report shows in 2007, the palestians killed just as many of their own children, as the IDF killed theirs, cause of factional fighting. How enraged are you about these casualties of 'friendly fire'?

I'll give you this.
The IDF should consider using rubber bullets and other non lethal means to immobilize and disperse little rockthrowers.

On the other hand if palestinians continue rocket and bomb attacks against civilians, I don't mind the occaisional tank flattening some Gaza shacks.
It's still a war remember.

I wonder how many israeli kids are murdered by the IDF?

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 4:11:33 PM

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This is the second time you have presented figures from 2007 alone. That year the civil war between Hamas and the Fatah was at its height inside Palestinian society. Therefore the figures of casualties are at their worst too.

I am presenting figures that cover 13 years of the conflict in order to convey an accurate picture over time. Why can't you do the same instead of selecting one isolated year that most favours your idiotic bigoted claims ?

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 4:24:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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In fact, I've seen no evidence of targeting of Palestinian children in any fashion.

None so blinkered as those that will not see Phydeaux.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jul/28/israel

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-crimes-against-humanity-targeting-palestinian-children-with-pinpoint-accuracy/5313293

http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/02/18/israeli-soldier-posts-instagram-photo-of-palestinian-child-in-crosshairs/

http://www.rense.com/general86/break.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7960071.stm

So I read your articles. I find nothing in them that evidences an Israeli targeting of palestinian children.
When Gazans have an uprising - and take cover in mosques, hospitals, youth clubs etc there will be child casualties.

When you have child suicide bombers, soldiers will lose their natural inclination not to shoot children.

So I see many allegations, but no evidence. The death of children is not evidence. Evidence would be soldiers claiming they were directed to target children. It would be investigative reporting on the operational orders of Israeli units.

The source of the palestinian child in the sniper site is from Electronic Intifada. Do you really claim that as an unbiased source. Really?

The sniper site info was widely posted at the time. The sniper pic on the BBC web site came from that dastardly Pro-Muslim paper....... Haaretz. Does the name ring any fucking bells with you, or are you just going to keep posting disinformation.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 4:30:08 PM

MrBukani

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

This is the second time you have presented figures from 2007 alone. That year the civil war between Hamas and the Fatah was at its height inside Palestinian society. Therefore the figures of casualties are at their worst too.

I am presenting figures that cover 13 years of the conflict in order to convey an accurate picture over time. Why can't you do the same instead of selecting one isolated year that most favours your idiotic bigoted claims ?

You claim a child is killed every 3 days... on average. What kind of a moron statistic is that?

Here look at the chart
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html
2009 had the most killings since then numbers have drastically declined. Only 3 palestinian kids were killed in 2013.
I think there doing great in reducing the numbers of child casualties.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 4:33:23 PM

Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

That's your idea of proof? You can't even provide a link that shows the dates of this day to day/back to back transition? You can't even provide the real name of the person supposedly using both these accounts at the same time? Why not, since you have all this extra-special knowledge?

You are on about what you are always on about... the usual attempt to shout down, drag down, smear down any productive discussion of a destructive issue by denying the documented historical facts and making it always about personal attacks on the person posting.... never about proof.

What I posted about the Holocaust and the connection to the situation in Palestine today is on the record, your attack in direct response is on the record, and my proof is on the record. That 'change the subject' tap dance isn't fooling anyone.

The post I replied to regards "none so blind" was to Phydeaux, thats why I put his name in it, clearly I felt you would comprehend such a simple fact.

Your slur I referred to was, as I said, regards your post to Tweaks and the odious claim you made about her reasons for posting.

The change of subject was because you mentioned Irving to me, I hadnt said a word about him, the subject was the deaths of children.

As for days and dates, time will tell.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 4:33:46 PM

MrBukani

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Oh and you seem to forget the palestinians had an urge to blow up israeli busses full of kids back in the seventies?

Wanna do a thirty year survey?

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 4:35:42 PM

tweakabelle

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From your source:
"The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes. Sixty-four percent of children killed during the first six months of 2003 died as a result of Israeli air and ground attacks, or from indiscriminate fire from Israeli soldiers."
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html

And you have the sheer gall to accuse me of distorting things! LOL

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 4:38:48 PM

MrBukani

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2009 was much worse and I thought to find a source in your part of the street.
2013 only 3 were killed is that not true?

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 4:44:58 PM

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2009 was much worse and I thought to find a source in your part of the street.
2013 only 3 were killed is that not true?

Incredible claim..... Only 3 dead kids huh, I didnt think anyone could be so asinine.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 4:48:43 PM

MrBukani

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It's in the statistics she likes so much so give the right number from your source.
Don't come up with words with ass in it. It's not a source where you wanna put your head in.

I just tried to find a pali fav source, you should write them a mail and call them asswipes.
So c'mon c'mon what's the 'real' number?

Fuckin google I can't even find it.

It's totally plastered with the news that Israel killed one kid every 3 days page after page. Well we for sure finally have media not controlled by jews.
Happy Days.
To bad google is so pisspoor these days in giving proper info.
What a miss, I'm thinking changing my browser to firefox...

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 5:02:08 PM

Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

It's in the statistics she likes so much so give the right number from your source.
Don't come up with words with ass in it. It's not a source where you wanna put your head in.

I just tried to find a pali fav source, you should write them a mail and call them asswipes.
So c'mon c'mon what's the 'real' number?

I`d suggest the real number was in your link. Its a tad odious using the 2013 figure as, overall, it proves nothing.

I didnt use any word with ass in it, thats just your paranoia.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 5:03:54 PM

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Just saw the edit......yeah use Firefox, that should fix Google for you.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/14/2014 5:12:15 PM

MrBukani

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asinine say it, I hear the word ass don't you?

So if the real number is in the chart you can see deathrates for children dropped dramatically the past 3 years.
That's progress right?
Now they lock up more kids.
Bravo!

The news is played like Israel killed about 100 kids last year. That is pretty perverted truth to me.
But hey I am playing the statistics here right?

I rather give hard numbers and incidents, not average medioker mediajokers.
Hmm lets see.
The nazis killed about 3287 jews a day during 5 years. What the fuck does that statistic tell you?
Nothing in my eyes.
So again, who is distorting the picture here?

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