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Israel still torturing children - 1/3/2014 6:21:15 PM   
tweakabelle


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Status: offline 		Israel has found a new method of torturing Palestinian children it has detained - leaving them outside in metal cages during recent severe winter snow storms 'The Independent' reports:
An Israeli human rights organisation has accused the government of torturing Palestinian children after it emerged some were kept in outdoor cages during winter.
The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI) published a report which claimed children suspected of minor crimes were subjected to “public caging”, threats and acts of sexual violence and military trials without representation.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-government-tortures-palestinian-children-by-keeping-them-in-cages-human-rights-group-says-9032826.html

This report is the latest in a long series of reports documenting and condemning Israel for torturing children it has arrested in Occupied Palestine, which include reports from Defence of Childen International, UNICEF, UK lawyers as well as Israeli organisations such as Breaking the Silence Children and Youth Soldiers� Testimonies.

These barbaric practices are part of the Israeli drive to ethnically cleanse Occupied Palestine. Israel is subsidised to the tune of more than $3 billion annually by the US taxpayer. How long will the US taxpayer continue to indirectly subsidise the torture of Palestinian children by Israel?



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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 4:48:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		sorry tweak, but Israel isn't trending at the moment. The pro Israel bunch have got far too much money and power for anyone to want to take a risk on pissing them off, after all there's an election soon that the Dems want to win, and the Rep's don't give a fuck so long as it's not "important" people dying.

Obama was the best chance in a long time for something to be done over there and all we got was some rhetoric that was always destined to be hot air.

Living as it does in it's own little vacuum America seems to be unaware of the amount of hate that it's support of Israel generates, and even if it was aware I don't think it would give a fuck.

Israel is special and sacred and must be supported by the good old US of A whatever the consequences....

whatever the consequences......

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 4:51:35 PM   
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Fuck the Palestinians, they deserve everything that's ever been done to them.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 4:52:56 PM   
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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 5:07:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		So long as the palestinians insist on making israel a muslim state (ie, insisting on a right to return) there will be no treaty.

Your negotiation cannot be: kill yourself.

Because .. no matter how bad the cards - palestinian right of return is telling the israelis to choose their own destruction.

So. The palestinians know that. The israelis know that. We used to know that. The palestinians are not interested in peace - fair or otherwise- they just like drumming up support (and donations).


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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 5:19:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		ah, those pesky Muslims, always sticking a spanner in the works aren't they?

Or maybe most Palestinians just want to be able to have a chance of living a decent life, like most Israelis?

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 5:30:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		This accusation ....may...have some truth to it...or it may be an exaggeration of fact as most of tweaks posts turn out to be. We have here in the US organizations that constantly exaggerate or make up atrocities not based on verified facts and so do other countries. Many of tweaks posts turn out to be flat out wrong...exaggerated or propaganda when the facts are verified by reputable news organizations.

After awhile her posts are ignored because most are nothing more than anti-Israel propaganda with little basis in fact.

I will join her in condemnation when multiple reputable news sources verify the accusations.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 5:38:57 PM   
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Fuck the Palestinians, they deserve everything that's ever been done to them.


Do you think the wife and children of BTK killer Dennis Rader, who knew nothing of his crimes, deserve to be tortured for what he did? Why should Palestinian children be tortured for what Palestinian adults have done? It's the same thing.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 6:56:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

ah, those pesky Muslims, always sticking a spanner in the works aren't they?

Or maybe most Palestinians just want to be able to have a chance of living a decent life, like most Israelis?


If thats the object, then why insist on a right of return.

And *if* thats the objective why have the palestinians STILL not afforded the Israeli's the same proffs? Ie., Fatah and Hamas have still explicitly NOT agreed to Israels right to exist as a Jewish state.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 8:00:16 PM   
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I will join her in condemnation when multiple reputable news sources verify the accusations.


Here's just a few cases of "reputable news organizations' verifying my accusations. There are many many more.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8186905.stm.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/stone-cold-justice/story-e6frg8h6-1226202202928#

The last link is interesting for a number of reasons. It was published in one of the notoriously pro-Zionist Murdoch media's few quality broadsheets, 'The Australian', roughly an Aussie equivalent of the New York Times. The reporter was invited to investigate the system of juvenile 'justice' by the IDF, who were hoping for a whitewash number from someone they regarded as sympathetic. This makes the report's damning findings even more emphatic.

The findings were so damning that, subsequent to their publication, the Australian Govt made representations to the Israelis regarding the 'treatment'/torture of children by the IDF. ( http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/rudd-seeks-action-on-torture-allegations-involving-palestinian-children/story-fn59nm2j-1226224436542# )


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Many of tweaks posts turn out to be flat out wrong...exaggerated or propaganda when the facts are verified by reputable news organizations.


A big claim. Such claims are feeble when they are advanced with no evidence to support them. I would have thought you had learnt a lesson from your previous failure to substantiate a claim of 'anti-Semitism' you levelled at me and were totally unable to come up with any evidence whatsoever to support it. Apparently not.

So, I defy you to produce some samples of my posts "turn[ing] out to be flat out wrong ....[]when the facts are verified by reputable news organizations". Good luck with finding such evidence - you're going to need it to find something that doesn't exist.



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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 8:14:23 PM   
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None of your links that I could read mentioned your accusation of caged outdoors in winter ...see what I mean by exaggeration? Now as I said I would and do condemn the treatment of children by Israel. But why say one thing then defend it with links that do not support what you accused Israel of doing. I would not call your links verification of your accusations.

Believe me tweak...I am not stubborn or shy about changing my opinion on this subject if true.

Butch

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 8:28:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

sorry tweak, but Israel isn't trending at the moment.



Yep. It's deader than a gun ban.

The Palestinians don't want peace, so why should we give a shit?

If they change their minds about that, Americans might change our minds about them.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 8:45:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I guess I'm not on ignore anymore...lol

None of your links that I could read mentioned your accusation of caged outdoors in winter ...see what I mean by exaggeration? Now as I said I would and do condemn the treatment of children by Israel. But why say one thing then defend it with links that do not support what you accused Israel of doing. I would not call your links verification of your accusations.

Believe me tweak...I am not stubborn or shy about changing my opinion on this subject if true.

Butch

How pedantic. General accusations of torture "are exaggerated" because a specific practice isn't mentioned. To satisfy your precise demands, here's 2 "reputable news organisations" verifying the claim of children being caged:
http://rt.com/news/israel-children-torture-palestine-044/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-government-tortures-palestinian-children-by-keeping-them-in-cages-human-rights-group-says-9032826.html
Interestingly even the Israeli media report the accusation:
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/NGO-accuses-Israel-of-torturing-Palestinian-children-during-winter-storm-336685

I note that you have advanced precisely zero evidence to support your wild claim that many of my posts "turn out to be flat out wrong ....when the facts are verified by reputable news organizations". Is this because there isn't any evidence? If you did have any evidence I am sure you would have posted it .....

So, is it a case of your claim, not mine, turning out to be "flat wrong"? The evidence advanced thus far says the answer to that question is a resounding 'yes'.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 9:08:00 PM   
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So long as the palestinians insist on making israel a muslim state (ie, insisting on a right to return) there will be no treaty.

Your negotiation cannot be: kill yourself.

Because .. no matter how bad the cards - palestinian right of return is telling the israelis to choose their own destruction.

So. The palestinians know that. The israelis know that. We used to know that. The palestinians are not interested in peace - fair or otherwise- they just like drumming up support (and donations).



I do admire the persistence with which you produce red herrings.

The Wikileaks Palestine Papers revealed that the Palestinian negotiators were prepared to accept that the "right of return" be capped at 10,000 (out of the original c750,000 Palestinians driven from their homes by Zionist ethnic cleansing 1947-50). Israel rejected this token number.

I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to attempt to argue that granting the 'right of return' to 10,000 Palestinians would somehow add up to "making Israel a muslim state" or "telling the Israelis to choose their own destruction", as Phydeaux insists.

But hey it's another excuse not to come to terms with the Palestinians, another excuse to avoid peace, to delay and obstruct while the theft of the West Bank proceeds ........ What else have we come to expect from Netanyahoo but an endless parade of ridiculous excuses to avoid peace and justice while every day grabbing more and more of Occupied Palestine with no intention of ever returning a single millimetre of it?

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 9:56:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

So long as the palestinians insist on making israel a muslim state (ie, insisting on a right to return) there will be no treaty.

Your negotiation cannot be: kill yourself.

Because .. no matter how bad the cards - palestinian right of return is telling the israelis to choose their own destruction.

So. The palestinians know that. The israelis know that. We used to know that. The palestinians are not interested in peace - fair or otherwise- they just like drumming up support (and donations).



I do admire the persistence with which you produce red herrings.

The Wikileaks Palestine Papers revealed that the Palestinian negotiators were prepared to accept that the "right of return" be capped at 10,000 (out of the original c750,000 Palestinians driven from their homes by Zionist ethnic cleansing 1947-50). Israel rejected this token number.

I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to attempt to argue that granting the 'right of return' to 10,000 Palestinians would somehow add up to "making Israel a muslim state" or "telling the Israelis to choose their own destruction", as Phydeaux insists.

But hey it's another excuse not to come to terms with the Palestinians, another excuse to avoid peace, to delay and obstruct while the theft of the West Bank proceeds ........ What else have we come to expect from Netanyahoo but an endless parade of ridiculous excuses to avoid peace and justice while every day grabbing more and more of Occupied Palestine with no intention of ever returning a single millimetre of it?



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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/7/2014 10:30:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh sure. Israel should let someone else set immigration policy. lets let 10,000 terrorists in.

What the palestinians say they were willing to do 20 years ago doesn't really matter. They didn't do it.
What matters is that here and now, hamas and the palestinian authority - neither one of them renounce the right of return.



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So long as the palestinians insist on making israel a muslim state (ie, insisting on a right to return) there will be no treaty.

Your negotiation cannot be: kill yourself.

Because .. no matter how bad the cards - palestinian right of return is telling the israelis to choose their own destruction.

So. The palestinians know that. The israelis know that. We used to know that. The palestinians are not interested in peace - fair or otherwise- they just like drumming up support (and donations).



I do admire the persistence with which you produce red herrings.

The Wikileaks Palestine Papers revealed that the Palestinian negotiators were prepared to accept that the "right of return" be capped at 10,000 (out of the original c750,000 Palestinians driven from their homes by Zionist ethnic cleansing 1947-50). Israel rejected this token number.

I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to attempt to argue that granting the 'right of return' to 10,000 Palestinians would somehow add up to "making Israel a muslim state" or "telling the Israelis to choose their own destruction", as Phydeaux insists.

But hey it's another excuse not to come to terms with the Palestinians, another excuse to avoid peace, to delay and obstruct while the theft of the West Bank proceeds ........ What else have we come to expect from Netanyahoo but an endless parade of ridiculous excuses to avoid peace and justice while every day grabbing more and more of Occupied Palestine with no intention of ever returning a single millimetre of it?



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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/8/2014 2:25:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why are the kids in jail in the first place? Did mommy and daddy philistine taught them throwing rocks is good?
Bad parents who let the kids do the dirty work.
Maybe the cold will teach little kids throwing rocks is not healthy.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/8/2014 3:32:36 AM   
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Children must be taught to hate.
This is a means to that end.

Imho, I believe that children should not be tortured.
They can be detained, jailed etc. for violence committed, but not tortured.
I do believe in recidivism, but I still think that people should be humane where children are concerned.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/8/2014 7:11:59 AM   
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Oh sure. Israel should let someone else set immigration policy. lets let 10,000 terrorists in

Every Palestinian a terrorist.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/8/2014 7:21:17 AM   
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Why are the kids in jail in the first place? Did mommy and daddy philistine taught them throwing rocks is good?
Bad parents who let the kids do the dirty work.
Maybe the cold will teach little kids throwing rocks is not healthy.

If not criminal certainly a pathetic denigration of the history and current plight of the Palestinians. And once again a sad demonstration of how the Western colonialist mind has historically pissed on the humanity of people of color.

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