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DRAKE326 -> Respect ..... (1/20/2014 4:16:48 AM)
[:D]I am fairly confident. That means I have at least a litle self respect. As a Dom I find it important to respect others as much or more than I respect myself. Yes that means I respect subs too. Just because someone may want to serve me does not mean they are due any less consideration than anyone else. But I will discipline as necessary for misconduct and especially for anyone that serves me and does not respect themselves.These are just my thoughts and an opinion or two.

searching4mysir -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 4:23:38 AM)
quote: But I will discipline as necessary for misconduct and especially for anyone that serves me and does not respect themselves. Until someone is yours, you don't have the right to discipline anyone. If someone thought I disrespected them and tried to discipline me when we weren't in a dynamic, I would laugh at them.

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 4:48:52 AM)
The OP didn't mention anything about disciplining outside of the dynamic, I'm not sure why you'd assume that, Searching. In any case I agree Drake, mutual respect is very important. Welcome to the discussion side. I look forward to your contributions.

DRAKE326 -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 4:53:15 AM)
But of course it later refers to someone serving me. I woild never presume to discipline anyone not cotracted or negotiated with me. Please excuse any confusion. You are right to be indignant about what was perceived to be my presumption. First and fore most I use self discipline and would never bother someone elses partner unless it was agreed to mutually. Sorry again for any confusion. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 5:45:28 AM)
I agree with the importance of mutual respect, but I do have to comment on one thing. Disciplining someone who doesn't respect you, won't make them respect you. It will make them resent you. Disciplining someone who already respects you might well result in improved behaviour, but if there's no respect, the relationship is already broken and no amount of discipline and punishment will fix it.

Phoenixpower -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 5:48:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders Disciplining someone who doesn't respect you, won't make them respect you. It will make them resent you. Disciplining someone who already respects you might well result in improved behaviour, but if there's no respect, the relationship is already broken and no amount of discipline and punishment will fix it. very well said [:)]

searching4mysir -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 8:03:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt The OP didn't mention anything about disciplining outside of the dynamic, I'm not sure why you'd assume that, Searching. In any case I agree Drake, mutual respect is very important. Welcome to the discussion side. I look forward to your contributions. He used the word "especially" which led me to believe that he would attempt to discipline outside the dynamic. If I'm wrong, I apologize for the misinterpretation.

anniezz338 -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 8:20:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DRAKE326 [:D]I am fairly confident. That means I have at least a litle self respect. As a Dom I find it important to respect others as much or more than I respect myself. Yes that means I respect subs too. Just because someone may want to serve me does not mean they are due any less consideration than anyone else. But I will discipline as necessary for misconduct and especially for anyone that serves me and does not respect themselves.These are just my thoughts and an opinion or two. The bolded part above seems to come across as beating someone while they are down. A negative being used to fix a negative seems to defeat the purpose. If I was trying to help raise someone's self respect, I would praise the positives and progress. Discipline would also mess with my trust of the person punishing me for lack of self respect.

ResidentSadist -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 8:42:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: anniezz338 quote: ORIGINAL: DRAKE326 [:D]I am fairly confident. That means I have at least a litle self respect. As a Dom I find it important to respect others as much or more than I respect myself. Yes that means I respect subs too. Just because someone may want to serve me does not mean they are due any less consideration than anyone else. But I will discipline as necessary for misconduct and especially for anyone that serves me and does not respect themselves.These are just my thoughts and an opinion or two. The bolded part above seems to come across as beating someone while they are down. A negative being used to fix a negative seems to defeat the purpose. If I was trying to help raise someone's self respect, I would praise the positives and progress. Discipline would also mess with my trust of the person punishing me for lack of self respect. Perhaps he didn't mean respect themselves as in self image but was referring to respecting themselves as his property? He owns the slave, the slave eats something shitty, they are disrespecting his property. In which case praising the positives for them for feeding themselves is bulshit when they should be reprimanded for eating something shitty. Get it? I dunno', that's how I see what he said.

littlewonder -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 9:27:55 AM)
If they disrespect you, beating them won't make them respect you. If someone disrespects you, it's time to look at yourself and ask yourself WHY do they disrespect you? It starts with you, not them. If I disrespect Master it's because something is wrong with our relationship. His beating me won't change that. I will just come to not want to be with him even more.

KnightofMists -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 9:40:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: searching4mysir quote: ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt The OP didn't mention anything about disciplining outside of the dynamic, I'm not sure why you'd assume that, Searching. In any case I agree Drake, mutual respect is very important. Welcome to the discussion side. I look forward to your contributions. He used the word "especially" which led me to believe that he would attempt to discipline outside the dynamic. If I'm wrong, I apologize for the misinterpretation. Actually I found the interpretation to be rather appropriate.

DesFIP -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 9:49:58 AM)
So how does punishing her for poor self esteem help her to acquire good self esteem? And if this isn't just a thinly veiled personal ad, I'll eat my hat

KnightofMists -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 9:55:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DRAKE326 [:D]I am fairly confident. That means I have at least a litle self respect. As a Dom I find it important to respect others as much or more than I respect myself. Yes that means I respect subs too. Just because someone may want to serve me does not mean they are due any less consideration than anyone else. But I will discipline as necessary for misconduct and especially for anyone that serves me and does not respect themselves.These are just my thoughts and an opinion or two. I don't think that your thoughts are particularly well articulated and leave it for a lot of interpretations beyond want you are trying to say. I will say that misconduct doesn't equate to disrespect, though it can be. If you approach every misconduct as a disrespect their will be a lot bigger problems in ones future and disrespect is assured to happen among other things. Secondly, confidence or lack of it doesn't equate to having self respect or lack of it. The two often co exist but are not dependent on each other. Thirdly, I agree that it's necessary to "address" misconduct in a dynamic. But how and when that is done often shows the respect that exists in the dynamic.

WonderNotWander -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 2:04:39 PM)
Something I thought deserved being pointed out was that he said discipline the slave. Discipline does not always mean the slave is to be beaten(mentally or physically), or punished. Discipline and punishment are usually separate things. His version of discipline could be much different than what anyone is imagining.

ExiledTyrant -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 2:10:40 PM)
I like to dip them in honey and throw them to the lesbians. Jus sayin Exiled

DesFIP -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 2:15:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WonderNotWander Something I thought deserved being pointed out was that he said discipline the slave. Discipline does not always mean the slave is to be beaten(mentally or physically), or punished. Discipline and punishment are usually separate things. His version of discipline could be much different than what anyone is imagining. It could but the odds are against it.

KnightofMists -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 2:16:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WonderNotWander Something I thought deserved being pointed out was that he said discipline the slave. Discipline does not always mean the slave is to be beaten(mentally or physically), or punished. Discipline and punishment are usually separate things. His version of discipline could be much different than what anyone is imagining. e I agree... That is why I said 'Address' instead of discipline. I suspect the OP was suggesting he would address and correct it which may or may not include punishment depending on the situation.

NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 3:07:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DRAKE326 I will discipline as necessary for misconduct and especially for anyone that serves me and does not respect themselves.These are just my thoughts and an opinion or two. Especially?? Don't you mean ONLY?? If you are not a person's Dominant, you have no business whatsoever "disciplining" her or him. He or she is not yours to discipline. NBMG

phoenixchild -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 4:31:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WonderNotWander Something I thought deserved being pointed out was that he said discipline the slave. Discipline does not always mean the slave is to be beaten(mentally or physically), or punished. Discipline and punishment are usually separate things. His version of discipline could be much different than what anyone is imagining. I agree that discipline and punishment are two different items. Also, a punishment does not always equal a beating, it could mean something such as taking away a privilege that had been previously granted.

phoenixchild -> RE: Respect ..... (1/20/2014 4:33:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NiceButMeanGirl quote: ORIGINAL: DRAKE326 I will discipline as necessary for misconduct and especially for anyone that serves me and does not respect themselves.These are just my thoughts and an opinion or two. Especially?? Don't you mean ONLY?? If you are not a person's Dominant, you have no business whatsoever "disciplining" her or him. He or she is not yours to discipline. NBMG He does clarify that up and apologized for any confusion that caused.

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