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BamaD -> N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 2:15:11 PM)

Home invasion in NC sounds familiar except that prosecutor isn't antigun fanatic



Yes it is fox news but they got it from APColumbia police say no charges will be filed after a man was shot and killed during a home invasion.

Police say a man broke into his ex-girlfriend's apartment shortly before midnight Sunday and was shot by the woman's new boyfriend.

Richland County Coroner Gary Watts said 26-year-old Roderick Eugene Harris Jr. died at a Columbia hospital after being shot in the chest.

Police said the woman told them she had ended a relationship with Harris and he had threatened her and her new boyfriend.

The woman told police Harris broke into her apartment and began arguing with her ex-boyfriend and charged at him. The man then pulled a gun and shot Harris.

Police said the man is cooperating in the investigation.

Police and prosecutors say no charges will be filed.




MrRodgers -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 2:48:06 PM)

Well it's better to have a gun and not need it than to need one and...not have it.




BamaD -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 3:03:07 PM)

FR

In a only marginally related story we have an example of Maryland's hostility toward gun owners.
Related because the similar incident with the anti gun prosecutor was in Maryland.

Unarmed Florida Gun Owner Harassed By Maryland Police
By Robert Gehl on January 15, 2014 Subscribe to Robert Gehl's Feed








There’s a story out of Florida that every gun owner should be aware of. It’s not being covered by the mainstream media, but it certainly should be.

A law-abiding gun owner, and CCW holder, was harassed and intimidated while traveling through Maryland – and he was unarmed.

John Filippidis, a Florida resident, gun owner (a Kel-Tec .380) and concealed-carry card holder, was traveling with his family to a wedding in New Jersey in their Ford Expedition. Knowing many states along the way don’t recognize the Second Amendment, he left his pistol at home – locked in his safe.

Traveling south on Interstate 95, just across the Maryland border, Filippidis was followed by a Maryland Transportation Authority Police car. He wasn’t speeding.


Finally the patrol car’s emergency lights come on, and it’s almost a relief. Whatever was going on, they’d be able to get it over with now. The officer — from the Transportation Authority Police (MTA), as it turns out, Maryland’s version of the New York-New Jersey Port Authority — strolls up, does the license and registration bit, and returns to his car.

According to Filippidis and his wife, after checking their license and registration, the officer returned and told Filippidis to step out of the vehicle.


Retreating to the space between the SUV and the unmarked car, the officer orders John to hook his thumbs behind his back and spread his feet. “You own a gun,” the officer says. “Where is it?”

“At home in my safe,” John answers.

“Don’t move,” says the officer.

He then goes to Filippidis’ wife, Kally. “Your husband owns a gun, where is it?”




Kally, unnerved by the stop and her husband’s detention, first says “I don’t know.” Then said “Maybe in the glove [box]. Maybe in the console. I’m scared of it. I don’t want to have anything to do with it. I might shoot right through my foot.” She later said she should have stopped with “I don’t know.” But one can understand her nervousness.

But that was enough, apparently, for the officer. He returned to John and said he was lying.


“You’re a liar. You’re lying to me. Your family says you have it. Where is the gun? Tell me where it is and we can resolve this right now.”

Of course, John couldn’t show him what didn’t exist, but Kally’s failure to corroborate John’s account, the officer would tell them later, was the probable cause that allowed him to summon backup — three marked cars joined the lineup along the I-95 shoulder — and empty the Expedition of riders, luggage, Christmas gifts, laundry bags; to pat down Kally and [one of Filippides' daughters]; to explore the engine compartment and probe inside door panels; and to separate and isolate the Filippidises in the back seats of the patrol cars.

A long time later – 90 minutes or two hours – they were let go with a traffic warning. He’s received apologies from the MTA, whi claims they’re investigating. But it’s a shocking display of hostility toward gun owners.


“All that time, he’s humiliating me in front of my family, making me feel like a criminal,” John says. “I’ve never been to prison, never declared bankruptcy, I pay my taxes, support my 20 employees’ families; I’ve never been in any kind of trouble.”

Face red, eyes shining, John pounds his knees. “And he wants to put me in jail. He wants to put me in jail. For no reason. He wants to take my wife and children away and put me in jail. In America, how does such a thing happen? … And after all that, he didn’t even write me a ticket.”

What might be most unnerving about this story is that it was published as a column three days ago in the Tampa Tribune. A Google News search shows no other media coverage of this incident. Not in the local Maryland papers, no national coverage, nothing.

Anybody who thinks this is an isolated incident is sorely mistaken. It takes a climate of hostility toward the Second Amendment that leads an officer to act this way.

PHOTO CREDIT: THE TAMPA TRIBUNE




DomKen -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 3:29:29 PM)

Sure...




dcnovice -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 3:47:05 PM)

FR

"Civilized" is one amazingly elastic adjective, isn't it? I wouldn't apply it to a state that sent Jesse Helms to the Senate--five times--but then I have high standards. Indeed, I wonder if anything's been truly civilized since the Normandie's last voyage.




BamaD -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 3:48:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

FR

"Civilized" is one amazingly elastic adjective, isn't it? I wouldn't apply it to a state that sent Jesse Helms to the Senate--five times--but then I have high standards. Indeed, I wonder if anything's been truly civilized since the Normandie's last voyage.

And regional bigotry raises it's ugly head.




BamaD -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 3:51:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

FR

"Civilized" is one amazingly elastic adjective, isn't it? I wouldn't apply it to a state that sent Jesse Helms to the Senate--five times--but then I have high standards. Indeed, I wonder if anything's been truly civilized since the Normandie's last voyage.

While slinging mud you should remember that D C elected a convicted drug dealer as mayor




dcnovice -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 3:53:25 PM)

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And regional bigotry raises it's ugly head.

As does regional whining/victimhood. I'd have thought and said the same thing about a northern or western or noncontiguous state that had elected Helms.




dcnovice -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 3:55:22 PM)

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While slinging mud you should remember that D C elected a convicted drug dealer as mayor

Quite true. And I've never described the District of Columbia, especially not its government, as civilized either.




MyGarage -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 3:58:24 PM)

I had NO IDEA they could pull up gun ownership that way. I own a weapon. I don't keep it in my car. Unbelievable. I despise government in all its tyrannical forms.

Another state's troopers can check immediately if I own a gun.

I would not have believed it.




BamaD -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 4:17:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MyGarage

I had NO IDEA they could pull up gun ownership that way. I own a weapon. I don't keep it in my car. Unbelievable. I despise government in all its tyrannical forms.

Another state's troopers can check immediately if I own a gun.

I would not have believed it.

Yes we agree on that.




BamaD -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 4:20:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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While slinging mud you should remember that D C elected a convicted drug dealer as mayor

Quite true. And I've never described the District of Columbia, especially not its government, as civilized either.

I was stationed up there and
any place that does not acknowledge a military id is anti American as far as I am concerned.




Politesub53 -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 4:29:41 PM)

Got to love the idea of killing people as being civilised.




GotSteel -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 4:37:15 PM)

I get that the extremely paranoid may have trouble telling the difference but it's never been standing YOUR OWN ground against a home invasion that's been the particularly unpopular.

It's the pick a fight and then shoot your way out and the flat out 2nd degree murder somebody laws which people find disturbing.




BamaD -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 4:43:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

I get that the extremely paranoid may have trouble telling the difference but it's never been standing YOUR OWN ground against a home invasion that's been the particularly unpopular.

It's the pick a fight and then shoot your way out and the flat out 2nd degree murder somebody laws which people find disturbing.


In a virtually identical situation they charged an active duty Air Force member with 2nd degree.
You may see the difference but apparently in Maryland there is no such thing as self defense,
even in your own home. This is why I included the second article. Apparently owning a firearm
is considered reasonable suspicion of a crime in Maryland.




TheHeretic -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 4:51:15 PM)

I doubt the Maryland victim is alone. I bet there is a big motherfucking class action suit, just waiting for the lawyers who want it.




DominantWoman65 -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 4:52:17 PM)

In the Maryland case, the prosecutor's probable cause was that the homeowner didn't dial 911 first which I think would have been a little hard for the home owner to do according to everything I have read regarding the incident.




BamaD -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 4:55:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DominantWoman65

In the Maryland case, the prosecutor's probable cause was that the homeowner didn't dial 911 first which I think would have been a little hard for the home owner to do according to everything I have read regarding the incident.

Again we are in agreement.
He also said that grabbing a gun was Bizarre behavior.




igor2003 -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 4:56:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

I get that the extremely paranoid may have trouble telling the difference but it's never been standing YOUR OWN ground against a home invasion that's been the particularly unpopular.

It's the pick a fight and then shoot your way out and the flat out 2nd degree murder somebody laws which people find disturbing.


In a virtually identical situation they charged an active duty Air Force member with 2nd degree.
You may see the difference but apparently in Maryland there is no such thing as self defense,
even in your own home. This is why I included the second article. Apparently owning a firearm
is considered reasonable suspicion of a crime in Maryland.



My own impression was that it was probably not so much the fact of mere ownership of a gun, but rather the fact that he had a concealed carry permit that caused all the suspicion. Regardless, the actions of the police seem wrong.

Also, here it is the county sheriff's department that issues concealed carry permits, and that information goes into your file right along with your drivers license info, so they can pull it all up right at the same time. As far as simple gun registration or ownership, I don't know that that information is in the same file.




BamaD -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/26/2014 5:18:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: igor2003


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

I get that the extremely paranoid may have trouble telling the difference but it's never been standing YOUR OWN ground against a home invasion that's been the particularly unpopular.

It's the pick a fight and then shoot your way out and the flat out 2nd degree murder somebody laws which people find disturbing.


In a virtually identical situation they charged an active duty Air Force member with 2nd degree.
You may see the difference but apparently in Maryland there is no such thing as self defense,
even in your own home. This is why I included the second article. Apparently owning a firearm
is considered reasonable suspicion of a crime in Maryland.



My own impression was that it was probably not so much the fact of mere ownership of a gun, but rather the fact that he had a concealed carry permit that caused all the suspicion. Regardless, the actions of the police seem wrong.

Also, here it is the county sheriff's department that issues concealed carry permits, and that information goes into your file right along with your drivers license info, so they can pull it all up right at the same time. As far as simple gun registration or ownership, I don't know that that information is in the same file.

Regardless, we agree that the cops overstepped.




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