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BamaD -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/28/2014 11:21:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mons

If my sister did not live with me I would own a gun and I do hate them but if someone
broke into my place to attack me and lord forgive me I would have t o protect me no way would
I live alone with out one (a gun)! I had someone helping me do things when my sister 'was in the hositpal
somehow this man thought she was not coming home and he wanted to move in here!
He came to eat dinner as a friend and as I walked into my kitchen he started to make the loudest sexual sounds
enough to hear over the running water and the televiosn set! I was sick with oh my gosh what does he think this is!

No he did not attack me, but he came to see how I was later and later, starting with 6pm to 3 am! I did not feel safe after a certain point!
I had to stop answering my door,, I told him "I go to sleep early now" now he will not even look at me! I later was told
he has a mental condition and steal ups storm! He made me feel unsafe in my own home!

mons (that is not right )

Couldn't the police help, nobody should have to put up with half of that.
A person that hates gun shouldn't have one.




BamaD -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/28/2014 11:28:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mons

If my sister did not live with me I would own a gun and I do hate them but if someone
broke into my place to attack me and lord forgive me I would have t o protect me no way would
I live alone with out one (a gun)! I had someone helping me do things when my sister 'was in the hositpal
somehow this man thought she was not coming home and he wanted to move in here!
He came to eat dinner as a friend and as I walked into my kitchen he started to make the loudest sexual sounds
enough to hear over the running water and the televiosn set! I was sick with oh my gosh what does he think this is!

No he did not attack me, but he came to see how I was later and later, starting with 6pm to 3 am! I did not feel safe after a certain point!
I had to stop answering my door,, I told him "I go to sleep early now" now he will not even look at me! I later was told
he has a mental condition and steal ups storm! He made me feel unsafe in my own home!

mons (that is not right )

Have you considered taking some form of martial arts?
Not assured to help against a younger bigger stronger assailant but it is better than nothing.




TheHeretic -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/28/2014 11:32:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY


My suggestion is the NRA and its supporters should decide what gun control measures (if any) they would support.




I am not the NRA. I'm not even on the list for recruitment emails.

I don't believe new gun control laws are the answer to anything.

I think the biggest single thing we could do to reduce gun violence in this country would be to take away the money that buys all those gang bangers their bullets. Legalize drugs, starve the thugs.




MsMJAY -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 4:41:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Don't like open carry for several reasons.
Neither do I.
I support better background checks but don't want it turned into a witch hunt.
I agree on both points.
I am not an NRA member.
Then that comment was not meant for you. It was meant for organizations whose lobbyisst influence legislation at a national level.
I favor stiffer penalties for firearm crimes, which the NRA does, or at least used to support.
So do I. You are right, the NRA used to support that and a lot of other things.
If the background checks currently stop a few hundred thousand guns a year from being sold
why are the prosecutions for attempting to buy a gun illegally in the 10's annually.
Because there is more money in chasing down drugs. Police Depts. don't make money for chasing down illegal gun buys.
How can we say current laws don't work when we don't enforce them?
We can't say that.
The legitimate restrictions on all other rights are focused not on their potential for misuse
but on their actual misuse, why should the right to bear arms be any different.
Some are, some aren't. Voting, marriage and driving all come to mind. They all require showing some form ID (in most states) and they have all have legitimate restrictions on who can exercise those rights (in most states.)





MsMJAY -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 4:46:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY


My suggestion is the NRA and its supporters should decide what gun control measures (if any) they would support.




I am not the NRA. I'm not even on the list for recruitment emails.

Then why did you choose to respond to a statement that was not directed at you?

I don't believe new gun control laws are the answer to anything.

[8|] There's a surprise.

I think the biggest single thing we could do to reduce gun violence in this country would be to take away the money that buys all those gang bangers their bullets. Legalize drugs, starve the thugs.

I am all in favor of legalizing drugs as well.

See? Almost any two people can find a place of agreement if they really want to.





Milesnmiles -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 5:16:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

In a only marginally related story we have an example of Maryland's hostility toward gun owners.
Related because the similar incident with the anti gun prosecutor was in Maryland.

Unarmed Florida Gun Owner Harassed By Maryland Police
By Robert Gehl on January 15, 2014 Subscribe to Robert Gehl's Feed








There’s a story out of Florida that every gun owner should be aware of. It’s not being covered by the mainstream media, but it certainly should be.

A law-abiding gun owner, and CCW holder, was harassed and intimidated while traveling through Maryland – and he was unarmed.

John Filippidis, a Florida resident, gun owner (a Kel-Tec .380) and concealed-carry card holder, was traveling with his family to a wedding in New Jersey in their Ford Expedition. Knowing many states along the way don’t recognize the Second Amendment, he left his pistol at home – locked in his safe.

Traveling south on Interstate 95, just across the Maryland border, Filippidis was followed by a Maryland Transportation Authority Police car. He wasn’t speeding.


Finally the patrol car’s emergency lights come on, and it’s almost a relief. Whatever was going on, they’d be able to get it over with now. The officer — from the Transportation Authority Police (MTA), as it turns out, Maryland’s version of the New York-New Jersey Port Authority — strolls up, does the license and registration bit, and returns to his car.

According to Filippidis and his wife, after checking their license and registration, the officer returned and told Filippidis to step out of the vehicle.


Retreating to the space between the SUV and the unmarked car, the officer orders John to hook his thumbs behind his back and spread his feet. “You own a gun,” the officer says. “Where is it?”

“At home in my safe,” John answers.

“Don’t move,” says the officer.

He then goes to Filippidis’ wife, Kally. “Your husband owns a gun, where is it?”




Kally, unnerved by the stop and her husband’s detention, first says “I don’t know.” Then said “Maybe in the glove [box]. Maybe in the console. I’m scared of it. I don’t want to have anything to do with it. I might shoot right through my foot.” She later said she should have stopped with “I don’t know.” But one can understand her nervousness.

But that was enough, apparently, for the officer. He returned to John and said he was lying.


“You’re a liar. You’re lying to me. Your family says you have it. Where is the gun? Tell me where it is and we can resolve this right now.”

Of course, John couldn’t show him what didn’t exist, but Kally’s failure to corroborate John’s account, the officer would tell them later, was the probable cause that allowed him to summon backup — three marked cars joined the lineup along the I-95 shoulder — and empty the Expedition of riders, luggage, Christmas gifts, laundry bags; to pat down Kally and [one of Filippides' daughters]; to explore the engine compartment and probe inside door panels; and to separate and isolate the Filippidises in the back seats of the patrol cars.

A long time later – 90 minutes or two hours – they were let go with a traffic warning. He’s received apologies from the MTA, whi claims they’re investigating. But it’s a shocking display of hostility toward gun owners.


“All that time, he’s humiliating me in front of my family, making me feel like a criminal,” John says. “I’ve never been to prison, never declared bankruptcy, I pay my taxes, support my 20 employees’ families; I’ve never been in any kind of trouble.”

Face red, eyes shining, John pounds his knees. “And he wants to put me in jail. He wants to put me in jail. For no reason. He wants to take my wife and children away and put me in jail. In America, how does such a thing happen? … And after all that, he didn’t even write me a ticket.”

What might be most unnerving about this story is that it was published as a column three days ago in the Tampa Tribune. A Google News search shows no other media coverage of this incident. Not in the local Maryland papers, no national coverage, nothing.

Anybody who thinks this is an isolated incident is sorely mistaken. It takes a climate of hostility toward the Second Amendment that leads an officer to act this way.

PHOTO CREDIT: THE TAMPA TRIBUNE

This should be unbelievable but welcome to the New USA.




Milesnmiles -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 5:24:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DominantWoman65

In the Maryland case, the prosecutor's probable cause was that the homeowner didn't dial 911 first which I think would have been a little hard for the home owner to do according to everything I have read regarding the incident.
Yeah, right. I can see it now; Pardon me sir, could you wait right there while I call 911, sorry it's busy could you wait just a minute longer, don't pull that gun I haven't reached 911 yet.....
;-)




Milesnmiles -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 5:31:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
What I find troubling is the wife's relationship to the gun. If there is a gun in the home, then basic safety dictates that she know how to safely handle it, and whether or not it is present on a long journey.
A very good point, something to keep in mind.




Milesnmiles -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 5:41:39 AM)

I do not have a CC permit nor do I own a gun but have read about it, in case I change my mind.

One of the things I've read is that if pulled over, keep your hands in sight, on the steering wheel and tell the officer that you have CC permit and where the weapon is. This is if you have the weapon with you but if the driver in question had done this, telling the officer that the weapon was at home a 1000 miles away, right from the start without being asked, this might have been prevented. Not to blame the driver, this still shouldn't have happened but just a word to the wise.




Milesnmiles -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 5:48:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: MyGarage
they should send their troopers to Chicago, where real criminals create a killing field every day.


How is that possible? Chicago has very restrictive gun laws. It should be completetly safe, shouldn't it???
Didn't you know, very restrictive gun laws, reduce gun violence. That is unless you like to deal with reality.
;-)




MsMJAY -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 6:15:08 AM)

I am a single mom with a small child and I live in what would be described as a pretty tough neighborhood. I can tell you from experience that there are men who will "try" you because they think you cannot defend yourself. One of my house rules is I do not open my door after 10:00 pm and unless you are the police, I could care less who you are or what you want. In fact, unless there is a life or death emergency in my immediate family, don't even call me after 10:00pm. Everyone who knows me knows that rule and my senior citizen parents are the only exception.

You have to be bold and up front with men like that. Tell them directly "do not come back to my house, do not call me, do not bother me." If it does not stop after that, call the police and report that you are being harassed and that you feel threatened. Tell them that you want an official report made and that if he returns to your home you will consider it trespassing and a threat. That way if you have to bust a cap in his ass you have an official record that you were being harassed.

If you do not like guns, take a self defense course, get a Louisville Slugger baseball bat and/or a tire iron. Get one of those small home surveillance camera systems (about 150 dollars) and motion sensor lights outside your door or home (about 20 dollars each.) That way you do not have to open your door to see who is out there. Consider getting yourself a dog; preferably a big mean dog who does not like anyone but you and your sister. If you cannot handle a big dog, even a small one that barks anytime someone gets near your home will give you a good warning if something is going on. If you decide for some reason to get a gun, take a gun safety course (or courses), get a membership at a gun range and get accustomed to safely handling and shooting it.


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ORIGINAL: mons

If my sister did not live with me I would own a gun and I do hate them but if someone
broke into my place to attack me and lord forgive me I would have t o protect me no way would
I live alone with out one (a gun)! I had someone helping me do things when my sister 'was in the hositpal
somehow this man thought she was not coming home and he wanted to move in here!
He came to eat dinner as a friend and as I walked into my kitchen he started to make the loudest sexual sounds
enough to hear over the running water and the televiosn set! I was sick with oh my gosh what does he think this is!

No he did not attack me, but he came to see how I was later and later, starting with 6pm to 3 am! I did not feel safe after a certain point!
I had to stop answering my door,, I told him "I go to sleep early now" now he will not even look at me! I later was told
he has a mental condition and steal ups storm! He made me feel unsafe in my own home!

mons (that is not right )





Milesnmiles -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 6:31:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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Once you codify a certain behavior in laws and set precedent for that behavior in court cases you end up with a lot of idiots using that law to victimize others.


The shooter in the Barboursville incident relied upon neither law nor precedent.


Well I am sure they told him what the law and precedent was in that class that all gun owners are required to take to make sure they understand when they can and cannot kill a person.....oops- wait a minute. [8|]

Never had the class and I know better, just common sense that this wouldn't fly.


Unfortunately fear often rules out common sense. That's not surprising in a culture where people are increasingly being encouraged to use guns to solve their problems. The guy that shot the woman who was knocking on his door seeking help. The man who shot the Alzheimer's patient outside of his house. The guy that opened fire in a movie theater. The list goes on. In the heat of the moment people believe that shooting another person is completely rational and common sense behavior. People who have had some training or instruction in firearms have usually been told when it is and is not appropriate to act on their fear; and usually have been made to understand the consequences of what happens whenever you choose to pull that trigger.

[8|]But disregard this. I'm just one of those anti-gun nuts anyway, right? Absolutely no restrictions or requirements for gun ownership- I got it. On with the body count.[8|]
I believe you left out the man that was shot to death by several police officers, who shot till they emptied their guns and reloaded and continued to fire, when they mistook his wallet for a gun. Obvious completely rational and common sense behavior, because they were trained and instructed in firearms, knew the law and were not convicted of any crime. No matter what restrictions are put on personal gun ownership, police will still have them.




GotSteel -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 6:34:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You also said it should be in a gun safe, that makes it inaccessible to her unless she gets to call time out.


*face palm*

Alright let's try this again and make sure that lobotomy is set to off this will require remembering a very few simple things in order to produce a train of thought.

Heretic made the claim that "basic safety dictates that she know how to safely handle it" in reference to the couple in the news article.

I contested that, I don't think it's actually a requirement of basic gun safety.

Heretic presented his own relationship as an anecdote to back his position.

I'm happy that worked for him and I'm teaching my girl to shoot as well. However, I don't think that's the only solution for basic safety or that everyone is cut out to use a gun (I'm not into the one twue way stuff).

Ergo I've been asking aren't there other alternatives besides everyone in a house being able to handle a gun? Because otherwise the guy in the news story will need to get rid of his gun and drive around with large quantities of cash without it.




Milesnmiles -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 6:42:48 AM)

Most gun owners don't have a problem with laws and restrictions. Its irrational useless draconian gun laws we're apposed to.

Some of us gun owners (like myself) are in full support of laws and restrictions. Its the ones who don't want any restrictions that are keeping gun laws from being passed. Much of this is being fueled by the NRA and gun dealers who do not want to see a decrease in their sales.

It seems you are in agreement here, I'm pretty sure, since you are a gun owner, that if the law was turn in your guns, no more personally gun ownership, you probably wouldn't be in full support of it and that is the sort of "irrational useless draconian gun laws" he was talking about.
;-)




mnottertail -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 7:04:10 AM)

Since I am a gun dealer, and since I don't belong to the NRA because it is not extreme enough.......I can assure you that for some of us, if there were a gun restriction (or even the mention of one in the media) it would increase our sales.

Do you know how many idiots own used wannabe ar-15s at around over $1000 over new invoice?

Plenty.




Milesnmiles -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 7:06:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
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the Zimmerman thing
...
Personally, I believe that Zimmerman should be behind bars.
The stand your ground law is for those who are minding their own business and are attacked.
Zimmerman was not out on a casual evening walk, he loaded up a gun and took it with him to "patrol the neighborhood", basically looking for trouble. When he called it in, instead of doing what he was told to do and let the police handle it, instead of walking away he decided to confront the young man. Thus He precipitated the whole confrontation and when it escalated, he shot and killed the young man. Zimmerman had any number of ways to avert the situation but took none of them and so this was in no way a case of self-defense.




MsMJAY -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 7:07:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

Most gun owners don't have a problem with laws and restrictions. Its irrational useless draconian gun laws we're apposed to.

Some of us gun owners (like myself) are in full support of laws and restrictions. Its the ones who don't want any restrictions that are keeping gun laws from being passed. Much of this is being fueled by the NRA and gun dealers who do not want to see a decrease in their sales.

It seems you are in agreement here, I'm pretty sure, since you are a gun owner, that if the law was turn in your guns, no more personally gun ownership, you probably wouldn't be in full support of it and that is the sort of "irrational useless draconian gun laws" he was talking about.
;-)


Well as of yet I have not heard any politicians advocate turning in all of your guns. If you know of any who are supporting that please name them. I will personally do my part to see that they don't get re-elected. That type of extremist foolishness is just the sort of irrelevant fear mongering being used to increase gun sales and that is what is keeping a logical discussion about guns in this country from happening. Yes I know Obama is going to take away all of our guns.[8|] I've heard it all for the last 5 years he has been in office and he still has not done shit for or about gun control.




Milesnmiles -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 7:10:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
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If it wasn't for the NRA you would long ago have been reduced to owning little more than a registered muzzle loader.
...
If it wasn't for the NRA you would long ago have been reduced to owning little more than a plastic replica of a muzzle loader.
;-)




mnottertail -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 7:35:41 AM)

The NRA has written a great deal of the legislation and supported it, in terms of the 1934 and 1968 gun control act.

If it wasn't for the NRA, nothing...other than that they wouldn't call you every year and ask if you want a lifetime membership for $500 same as last year.




DominantWoman65 -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/29/2014 7:39:24 AM)

Mons,
I live alone most of the time except when my daughters are visiting. You have been given some very good suggestions and perhaps you might consider a quality grade pepper spray (mine has a distance of about 15 ft) or a taser of which I have 2.




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