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lovmuffin -> RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state (1/28/2014 9:20:16 PM)
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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
You mean concealed carry, right ? Maybe certain powers that be are affording the opportunity, in more states than in previous years, to get a carry permit. I don't know where anyone is encouraging us to go out and get those permits. SYG laws simply prevent over zealous anti gun prosecutors from prosecuting people who had a legitimate self defense situation. It's unfortunate that it gives some people a green light to shoot when it's totally unnecessary but I think a hand full of high profile cases are making it seem like its a license to kill when the reality is that it doesn't happen as often as the anti gun media is making it look. I think most of these idiots using SYG illegitimately are winding up in jail. Juries aren't buying it nor would I if I'm on that jury.
No. I meant open carry as in "openly carrying a firearm in public", as distinguished from concealed carry, where firearms cannot be seen by the casual observer. By the time it gets to jury someone is already dead and whether or not those cases will result in guilty verdicts still remains to be seen.
I'm in support of gun laws and restrictions but many of those laws and restrictions being proposed are irrational, useless, draconian and clear violations of our constitutional rights. We have in excess of 20,000 gun laws on the books yet we don't enforce them effectively. Out of the tens of thousands of idiots turned down by background checks each year because of felony disabilities, only a handful are arrested and prosecuted. The overwhelming majority of gun dealers don't want guns in the hands of criminals or idiots anymore than you or I. The opposition to draconian laws have little to do with dealers wanting to maintain their sales and more to do with the 2nd Amendment. If it wasn't for the NRA you would long ago have been reduced to owning little more than a registered muzzle loader.
And there's part of the problem; everyone supports it, "but"....they think its a good idea, "but"....... they want to prevent needless deaths, "but." Its always our "big old buts" that keep us from ever really moving our asses on gun legislation.
Actually gun sales hit a record high in 2012. 16.8 billion people applied for background checks in 2012. The gun industry is a multibillion dollar industry. Money is definitely a driving force in this. Money that is used to influence politicians. (google the Institute for Legislative Action).
To many people today, any suggestion at all towards gun legislation is automatically looked upon as "draconian." Perhaps the NRA and its supporters should come up with a list of measures that they do support instead of just shooting down (pun intended) the ones that are being suggested. (but, they don't support any, do they?) I think I have covered in past posts just how wishy washy the NRA has been over gun control. They supported gun control in the 60's and part of the 70's and even got then Governor Ronald Reagan to sign gun control measures into law. Now they want no gun control. So what changed?
Ok, I'll try to address your points. Yes, open carry is kind of dumb in most places. I won't go into why I think that but who is advocating this and where ?
Many of these illegitimate uses of SYG have been ajudicated. There was one, I think in Texas we discussed on one of these threads, where a guy complains about the neighbors loud music and shoots a guy while standing at the end of the neighbors driveway and claiming to the 911 operator "I'm standing my ground". The idiot is doing life. I'm just sayin the anti gunners are making more hey out of it than it deserves while ignoring the positives. My main concern, paranoia if ya wanna call it that is a car jacking. If I'm paying attention and I see it comming (most likely), their asses toast. I don't want to get prosecuted because I shot some low life tryin to jack my vehicle. Frankly I hope I never have to discharge my weapon in self defense. I don't want to deal with the aftermath.
I know what the NRAILA is, I'm an NRA member so I don't need to google it. I get those freakin letters every other week askin for money and admittedly, sometimes they overstate their case but usually the threats to our gun rights are legitamate. Gun sales are up because when ever there are calls by crooked politicians to ban this, that and whatever, people rush out to by them fearing it may be their last opportunity. I don't know what type of 9mm you have but if its a double column magazine, do you think it's ok to be reduced by law to 10 rounds or like in NY, 7 ?
It's true that at one time up through most of the 60's, the NRA was a gun club. They started to support new legislation because of the Kennedy and MLK assignations but hit the brakes and started apposing handgun bans an registration schemes. We ended up with the Gun Controll Act of 1968. Maybe some of that was a good idea. When I was a kid, my dad got me guns. A school age friend of mine ordered his through the mail. He had a .22 a 12 gauge and a 1903 Springfield rifle among others. I'm not sure what law Reagan signed in CA and I'm not sure what you're referring to in the 70's. You'll have to clue me in.
Money is a driving force in all industries and virtually all politics. The 2nd Amendment is a seperate issue.
I haven't heard anything from the politicians or on this forum, that would prevent needless deaths. What kind of legislation should we be moving our asses on ? Maybe you could make a suggestion.
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