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Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 5:02:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Apparently, this Coca Cola Super Bowl Ad created a crapstorm of protest. People on Twitter complained fiercely against the multicultural singing of "America." They took an English only stand against "politically correct diversity." Is multiculturalism a legitimate issue of concern for Conservatism? Or, is this just Tea Party Patriots with too much time on their keyboards? Will this political and social divide grow in the future? Or is it the thrashing about of a dying political philosophy in a changing world?

I loved the ad. Your thoughts.
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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 5:14:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Those Tea Party types are getting more hysterical by the day, to the point where even the Rs in Congress are turning against them. Hopefully this is the beginning of the implosion of a nut fringe, but I'm concerned that their rabid hate will fester into something ugly as their power wains and their mental isolation grows. This is just a symptom of a greater sickness.

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 5:21:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I loved the ad, too. And most people seem to forget that America is a melting pot. The great majority of us are not descendants of the natives, we all had to come here and assimilate. Many of us had non-English speaking ancestors, or still have relatives who speak another language. This "America for he Americans" thing is a bit overdone, and seems to me we just want to get our collective panties in a wad over SOMETHING.

We are becoming a country that loves to hate. It's a sad day when a commercial that was meant to demonstrate our diversity and inclusion instead shows how ignorant and intolerant many people are.




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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 5:30:03 AM   
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Apparently, this Coca Cola Super Bowl Ad created a crapstorm of protest. People on Twitter complained fiercely against the multicultural singing of "America." They took an English only stand against "politically correct diversity." Is multiculturalism a legitimate issue of concern for Conservatism? Or, is this just Tea Party Patriots with too much time on their keyboards? Will this political and social divide grow in the future? Or is it the thrashing about of a dying political philosophy in a changing world?
I loved the ad. Your thoughts.


The ad has merits of it's own, but I wasn't impressed with it as a Super Bowl ad. In general, the Super Bowl ads left a lot to be desired this year. IMO, the best ones were T-mobile with Tim Tebow (omg were they corny as shit) and the Mountain Dew "Dale Call." A chuckle here, a chuckle there, with some groans thrown in. I have an expectation (I know, I know, they are not catering to me, specifically, so what I expect isn't worth the paper this is written on - ) of the Super Bowl commercials being entertaining. For the most part, they weren't.

This Coke commercial wasn't really entertaining to me. It was sung quite well (imo, Queen Latifah performed better than I expected, and I wasn't impressed with the rendition of the national anthem), and actually embodies precisely what America used to stand for. You know, the whole, "Great Melting Pot." As such, multiculturalism isn't really a problem, per se, unless it divides, rather than improves the whole.

I must have missed your link showing that those that were on Twitter were Conservatives and/or Tea Party supporters.




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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 5:36:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Am I the only one old enough to recall Coke's "like to teach the world to sing" ad?
Those were more innocent times, I guess...

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 6:00:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I must have missed your link showing that those that were on Twitter were Conservatives and/or Tea Party supporters.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/coca-cola-super-bowl-ad-angers-conservatives-article-1.1600849

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 6:51:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		We couldn't really hear much of the audio during the game or commercials. Visually, the Coke ad didn't really catch my eye, and the bit where the kids were diving for bottlecaps is a bit dated. The only time I see Coke in glass bottles is when I buy the imported Mexican Coke that is still made with real sugar.

Laughed my ass off at Audi's Doberhuahua though.

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 7:15:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thought the ad was great. I liked hearing how it sounded in other languages and thought it was well done.

I am not a bit surprised that there are asshole bigots out there who didn't like it. Unfortunately there are still a lot of haters out there.

I am also not surprised by you comments on the political slant. The conservatives I know don't have a problem with multiculturalism but I take it you seem to think they all do. Did the idiots in question id themselves at tea party supporters or are you just assuming it because you seem to feel anyone in the tea party is a racist and every racist is a tea party patriot?

The political divide will continue to grow as long as people keep seeing the bad in the other side and turning a blind eye to the bad in their own.

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 8:21:23 AM   
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Some reactions to the ad from, yes, conservatives:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/coca-cola-super-bowl-ad-angers-conservatives-article-1.1600849

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 8:24:33 AM   
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Am I the only one old enough to recall Coke's "like to teach the world to sing" ad?

No. I remember it too.

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 8:35:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Multiculturalism is not an issue (at least not for me). I have "grandparents" from Italy, Germany, and Ireland.

What is an issue (as I've written, many times) is when people come to this country and expect us to cater to their needs (mostly linguistically). My grandparents came over and learned the language. In the respective houses, German and Italian were spoken but, everyone - including my immigrant grandparents - learned English.

There were plenty of things they didn't like about this country but there were enough things that they liked which made them decide that the good out-weighed the bad and they wanted to do as much as necessary to "fit in".

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We have room but for one Language here and that is the English Language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans of American nationality and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house.



I speak several languages. I would never even dream of going to another country (to live) and demand that they speak English for my benefit. I would ask for their patience and help with learning their language but that is the only boon I would ask.

Americans, frequently, get a bad reputation for not being linguistically tolerant. Has anyone here ever tried getting people to communicate with you on the Champs Elysees in English? It only works if you show them that you're trying to speak French (and failing miserably).

I LOVE immigrants. I embrace all legal immigrants that wish to come here for a better life and help to better our country, like their fellow countrymen and women did.

ETA: I almost forgot to answer the actual OP.

I thought just about all the commercials were crap. I didn't particularly care for this one but my objection had nothing to do with the languages. I think it's interesting to hear different things in different languages. I thought it was a nice idea. However, I was neither overly impressed nor offended.





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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 8:48:06 AM   
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I wasn't impressed with the rendition of the national anthem

Given how tricky it is to sing, I thought Renee Fleming did an impressive job.

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 8:50:13 AM   
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I am also not surprised by you comments on the political slant. The conservatives I know don't have a problem with multiculturalism but I take it you seem to think they all do. Did the idiots in question id themselves at tea party supporters or are you just assuming it because you seem to feel anyone in the tea party is a racist and every racist is a tea party patriot?

My comments on the political slant? Serious question: Conservatism historically sets out to preserve the cherished values of the nation (whichever) Globalization of labor, satellite TV, and the internet seem, at the moment, to be forces that are weakening national borders and promoting more contact between a greater variety of the world's people, bringing new languages and cultural mores to blend in with the traditional values of America. In other words, the population is changing. Progressives have traditionally welcomed this change. Conservatives have not. So, will the latter adjust and bend to the wave of 'new others' or will English-only remain the steadfast position of American Conservatives?

BTW, apparently the 'idiots in question' were pretty well identified.

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 9:00:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thought it was beautiful! People that don't like that that are immigrants and Native Americans and others who speak different languages that live in the United States, well, whatever, they're missing out.

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 10:13:48 AM   
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I am also not surprised by you comments on the political slant. The conservatives I know don't have a problem with multiculturalism but I take it you seem to think they all do. Did the idiots in question id themselves at tea party supporters or are you just assuming it because you seem to feel anyone in the tea party is a racist and every racist is a tea party patriot?

My comments on the political slant? Serious question: Conservatism historically sets out to preserve the cherished values of the nation (whichever) Globalization of labor, satellite TV, and the internet seem, at the moment, to be forces that are weakening national borders and promoting more contact between a greater variety of the world's people, bringing new languages and cultural mores to blend in with the traditional values of America. In other words, the population is changing. Progressives have traditionally welcomed this change. Conservatives have not. So, will the latter adjust and bend to the wave of 'new others' or will English-only remain the steadfast position of American Conservatives?

BTW, apparently the 'idiots in question' were pretty well identified.


I think that some conservatives might be clinging to previous traditions and attitudes regarding the influx of different languages and cultures, particularly back in the day when "assimilation" was the main focus. The country has always been a melting pot, but back in those days, everyone was expected to "melt" into all the same thing. Three out of my four grandparents grew up speaking languages other than English (although all were born in the U.S.), but by the time of my parents' generation, they were all speaking English with only a scant knowledge of their ancestral language. By the time of my generation, I had school friends with diverse ancestries, yet we all spoke English, wore the same styles of clothes, watched the same TV shows, listened to the same music...we were all "assimilated."

This is probably an issue we'll have to grapple with in the years to come as communication, commerce, and politics become more globalized. Both conservatives and liberals have openly embraced the idea of America being the leader of the free world and advocated interventionist, globalist policies. Coca-Cola is all over the world, too. Language issues can probably be handled technologically at some point, as language translation software seems to be getting more and more sophisticated. Perhaps someday it might just be a matter of wearing an earpiece that can translate any utterance into your own language (as long as it's a known Earth-based dialect).

I think the rest of the world has more to worry about their culture being assimilated by America than the other way around. It's in the Coca-Cola, I think. I probably drink more of that stuff than I really should, but I doubt I'll be boycotting it anytime soon, even though it probably wouldn't be a bad idea, healthwise. Ironically, I think Coca-Cola was originally intended to be some kind of health elixir.

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 10:26:50 AM   
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Multiculturalism is not an issue (at least not for me). I have "grandparents" from Italy, Germany, and Ireland.




I'm very much aware of how different those three nationalties can be... but they are all white christian (if it is south germany catholics) and european... it's not that they needed more efforts to integrate in the pre cold war usa than learning the language.

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 11:15:13 AM   
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What is doubly funny is the the song was written by a woman who may have been a lesbian.

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 11:21:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Vince I thought it a great idea.... but...as with most songs the lyrics are meant for a particular language... the sounds I am talking of ...not the words or meaning. I really enjoyed the advertisement and hope it does stick in the craws of bigots.

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 11:35:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I listen to a local conservative radio talk show on a regular basis. It seemed to be just the opposite here in Milwaukee. More liberals were upset over that ad than the more conservative listeners. I liked it myself.

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RE: Coca Cola Crapstorm - 2/4/2014 11:35:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Vince I think it is a mistake on your part to separate resistance to globalization and multi-cultures to political spectrums. I think you will find just as many liberals as conservatives with similar views.

I think a better reason would be the time honored resistance in times of economic stress when there is a competition for jobs.

And... just as a side note ...not all traditions and values of years past are bad or bigoted. Many immigrants have come to believe in those very same traditions and have made them their own.

Butch

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