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DomKen -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:21:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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That's what I like about Evolutionists, their vivid imaginations. It's a fossil of an animal that once existed, nothing more. All this starting to fly, is only in your mind. If it had been a ostrich or an emu fossil you had found, you would say the same thing about it, except we would know it wouldn't be true.

Archaeopteryx is undeniably a dinosaur with numerous uniquely bird characters including adaptations for flight. What do you think it was?
I already told what it was; "It's a fossil of an animal that once existed, nothing more."

Funny how it fits right into a progression of animals becoming more birdlike until we get real birds. Do you deny all that evidence?
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Do I believe organs got complicated over night? Quite frankly, yes I do. Again it's one of the reasons I see Evolution as bogus. Have you looked at Evolution's simple cell that started all this lately? Science has found that it's not so simple any more, in fact I could ask, do you think those simple cells got terribly complicated overnight?
Then you have no idea of the broad range of sexual organs getting progressively more complicated as time goes on.
Seriously?

Seriously.
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Call it what you will, so far it is a choice between an "electrified mud puddle" and "some sky fairy", I'm going with the "sky fairy", because as I said, we both know that all the combined intelligence of science has not figured out how an "electrified mud puddle" could have done it.

That's called the argument from ignorance. In short just because you don't know how something happened doesn't mean it couldn't have.
I never said it couldn't have happened but that if it did happen it would have taken a lot more intelligence to do it than what mankind has come up with so so far and since it seems to take intelligence to do it....

Like I said the argument from ignorance.




Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:21:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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First of all it's not like the changes actual evolution is talking about are so different that an animal can't mate with the species that gave them birth.

According to Evolution, at some point they can't mate with the species that gave them birth or else every living thing now in existence would be able to hybridize with every other thing and they can't.

Nope, that's not from evolution. That's a strawman of evolution which only shows up in the dumbest forms of creationism known to man.
This is the best you can come up with?

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Evolution doesn't involve crocodiles giving birth to ducks, it just plain doesn't and never has.

In a way it does, according to Evolution every living thing in existence evolved from a series of other living forerunners going all the way back to "simple celled originators", at some point in that chain there were ""crocodiles" giving birth to "ducks"" or else every living thing now in existence would be able to hybridize with every other thing and they can't.
Nope, you're wrong.
Nope, you're wrong. I can play your silly grade school games too.

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Second if two crocodiles were to somehow give birth to two ducks those ducks still wouldn't be able to give birth to a viable species. While the minimum number to make a species viable does vary, 2 is ridulously low.
So Evolution doesn't work. Thanks for proving that.
What I'm pointing out is that you're severely ignorant when it comes to evolution.
Actually what you are proving is quite the opposite.




Kirata -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:22:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Bless you and your faith.

I don't think we can credit someone with faith in Aesop when all he really believes in are the Fables.

K.








DomKen -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:22:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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Birds are dinosaurs.

Is this going to be another subject about which you don't know jack but want to start an argument only to retreat into snark and the merry go round?

Not at all. I'm willing to admit that you're a primate. [:D]

K.


So snark. Are you even capable of contributing anything productive?




Kirata -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:24:49 PM)


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Not at all. I'm willing to admit that you're a primate. [:D]

So snark. Are you even capable of contributing anything productive?

I'm confused...

Do you mean you're not a primate, or do you just think its somehow inappropriate or misleading to refer to you as one?

K.




crazyml -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:27:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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Bless you and your faith.

I don't think we can credit someone with faith in Aesop when all he really believes in are the Fables.

K.







Ah... are you suggesting that the fables require a certain amount of nuanced understanding in order to be properly applied?





crazyml -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:30:46 PM)

Are you saying that when you referred to "Sky Fairy" you weren't referring to God?




DomKen -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:32:03 PM)

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Not at all. I'm willing to admit that you're a primate. [:D]

So snark. Are you even capable of contributing anything productive?

I'm confused...

Do you mean you're not a primate, or do you just think its somehow inappropriate or misleading to refer to you as one?

K.


You're simply not worth the mod note.




Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:33:17 PM)


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Prove he exists first outside the confines of your cranium.

He can't Hilly. [:D]

Men (general sense) have been trying to do that for over 2 millenia and not a single person has ever succeeded (yet).

Miles would rather believe in creationist theory that has absolutely no evidence whatsover, backed up by strange faerie storied badly translated by bad writers bound up in a book of untruths.
His mind is too closed to acknowledge any real evidence out there.
[sm=beatdeadhorse.gif]
You might find it easier to convince him that the sun goes round the earth. [sm=banghead.gif]

Actually, for thousands of years many have had the existence of God proven to them, perhaps it is your mind that is "too closed to acknowledge any real evidence out there"?
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For thousands of years, many knew that the earth was flat and rested on the back of a giant turtle.

Your arguments are childish.
No more so than yours.
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Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:38:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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For thousands of years, many knew that the earth was flat and rested on the back of a giant turtle.

A Terry Pratchett fan Hilly?? [:)]

Methinks Miles has been reading too many faerie stories too.
And he still hasn't come back with any tangible proof of his claims beyond what is inside his cranium.


Have you heard the phrase do not throw your pearls before swine? Or there are none so blind as those who will not see? No matter how strong the proof you would not listen, if you really want proof ask again when you are willing to listen.
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Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:43:21 PM)


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what is the answer to my question, how does Evolution account for thefact that a male and a female must be born at the same place and time to continue the newly evolved each time the tree of Evolution branched?


You're question has already been answered several times in the thread, the answer is your "fact" is not a fact. Evolution does not work like that.

P.S. In my state children are required to understand evolution better than you by the age of 12.
Another brick in the wall, too bad.
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crazyml -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:43:27 PM)

Oh fuck! That'll be me.

It wasn't my intention to use Thursdays as a sock.

If you look at Thursday's "posts" you'll see that I'm pretty dilligent about erasing them when I screw up.

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If you look at the Thursdays forum profile - http://www.collarchat.com/showProfile.asp?memid=1251907 you'll see I make it clear that there's a connection.

For the punctilious amongst you, I've reported the Thursdays post to the mods.




crazyml -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:52:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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Hey Clem Clown, thursdays was the one who suggested handing it over to god, I only agreed, so why don't you ask him to prove God exists?



"Thursdays" is a sockpuppet used by someone who's also posting on this thread with their "regular" name. So, "Thursdays" is answering people.






And DS... since you know very very well that I don't make any secret of the fact that I occasionally screw up and post from the wrong account, I think it's a little disingenuous of you to imply that I was up to nonsense.

But hey




Kirata -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:55:03 PM)


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Bless you and your faith.

I don't think we can credit someone with faith in Aesop when all he really believes in are the Fables.

Ah... are you suggesting that the fables require a certain amount of nuanced understanding in order to be properly applied?

Actually, I was suggesting that "believing" in a freaking book and believing in God are wholly different matters, and that conflating the former with religion and religious faith has never produced anything except bloodshed, idiocy, and profit for charlatans.

K.





Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:57:11 PM)


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Bless you and your faith.
Species creation doesn't happen all at once, it's a gradual thing - With reproduction between the old and new species gradually getting less likely to succeed as they evolve.
Nice try but there is a difference between natural variation within a species and mating between differing species.
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I know it's upsetting, but the vast vast vast bulk of the evidence - You know, like 1000 to 1, points to evolution by natural selection as a practical, real thing.
Even if it was true it wouldn't upset me, it's just not true.
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When people first started utilizing evolution by human selection four thousand years ago, your shonky witchdoctors were claiming the world was flat, and burning men of science.
That must be your witchdoctors, because on my side no one thought the world was flat or burned scientists.
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Tell ya what... I'll go with the science, you go with your witchdoctor.
I'll tell you what you go with what ever strikes your fancy but looking at the track record of some men of science over the years, I'll go with those who love the truth first and ask them what they call themselves later.
;-)




crazyml -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 10:58:13 PM)

Good point, well made Kirata.




crazyml -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 11:03:49 PM)


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Bless you and your faith.
Species creation doesn't happen all at once, it's a gradual thing - With reproduction between the old and new species gradually getting less likely to succeed as they evolve.
Nice try but there is a difference between natural variation within a species and mating between differing species.

Nice try, but the point still stands.
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I know it's upsetting, but the vast vast vast bulk of the evidence - You know, like 1000 to 1, points to evolution by natural selection as a practical, real thing.
Even if it was true it wouldn't upset me, it's just not true.


It's true. Which is why in survey after survey Scientists in the vast majority opt for the scientific approach.

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When people first started utilizing evolution by human selection four thousand years ago, your shonky witchdoctors were claiming the world was flat, and burning men of science.
That must be your witchdoctors, because on my side no one thought the world was flat or burned scientists.
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Tell ya what... I'll go with the science, you go with your witchdoctor.
I'll tell you what you go with what ever strikes your fancy but looking at the track record of some men of science over the years, I'll go with those who love the truth first and ask them what they call themselves later.
;-)



Oooh.. a lovely faith-based answer.

You're best of going with the people that know what the fuck they're talking about (scientists) then figuring out - where there is debate - which group seems most credible to you.

Asking a witchdoctor about science is likely to be a waste of time, unless he or she is a scientist as well.




Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 11:05:13 PM)

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Funny how it fits right into a progression of animals becoming more birdlike until we get real birds. Do you deny all that evidence?
No, I'd just like to see it.
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Seriously.
Okay, still no proof of evolution.
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Like I said the argument from ignorance.
Yep, I agree, you seem to make a habit of arguing from ignorance.
:-)




Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 11:08:25 PM)


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Are you saying that when you referred to "Sky Fairy" you weren't referring to God?
Some one else used the term in a response to me, I just went along with his idiocy, maybe you should ask him what he meant by it.
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Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 11:12:54 PM)


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Hey Clem Clown, thursdays was the one who suggested handing it over to god, I only agreed, so why don't you ask him to prove God exists?



"Thursdays" is a sockpuppet used by someone who's also posting on this thread with their "regular" name. So, "Thursdays" is answering people.




Why thanks, most forums I've been on don't allow a person to post under two names in the same thread. I'll keep that in mind.
;-)




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