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DaddySatyr -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 11:15:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles Why thanks, most forums I've been on don't allow a person to post under two names in the same thread. I'll keep that in mind. ;-) Oh, it's a *clear* violation of the ToS but, some people are special; bless their little pea-pickin' hearts.

Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 11:15:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml Oh fuck! That'll be me. It wasn't my intention to use Thursdays as a sock. If you look at Thursday's "posts" you'll see that I'm pretty dilligent about erasing them when I screw up. [ETA] If you look at the Thursdays forum profile - http://www.collarchat.com/showProfile.asp?memid=1251907 you'll see I make it clear that there's a connection. For the punctilious amongst you, I've reported the Thursdays post to the mods. Thanks but not a problem with me. ;-)

crazyml -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 11:16:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles Why thanks, most forums I've been on don't allow a person to post under two names in the same thread. I'll keep that in mind. ;-) Oh, it's a *clear* violation of the ToS but, some people are special; bless their little pea-pickin' hearts. Isn't it good that I owned up, took responsibility, and didn't behave like a snidey little bitch then!

crazyml -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 11:18:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml Oh fuck! That'll be me. It wasn't my intention to use Thursdays as a sock. If you look at Thursday's "posts" you'll see that I'm pretty dilligent about erasing them when I screw up. [ETA] If you look at the Thursdays forum profile - http://www.collarchat.com/showProfile.asp?memid=1251907 you'll see I make it clear that there's a connection. For the punctilious amongst you, I've reported the Thursdays post to the mods. Thanks but not a problem with me. ;-) Well I appreciate the fact that you're not the type to throw a hissy fit.

Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 11:19:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles Hey Clem Clown, thursdays was the one who suggested handing it over to god, I only agreed, so why don't you ask him to prove God exists? "Thursdays" is a sockpuppet used by someone who's also posting on this thread with their "regular" name. So, "Thursdays" is answering people. And DS... since you know very very well that I don't make any secret of the fact that I occasionally screw up and post from the wrong account, I think it's a little disingenuous of you to imply that I was up to nonsense. But hey Since he said it to me, I'm thankful he did and I didn't take it as indicating you were up to nonsense, only as informing me what had happened. ;-)

FrostedFlake -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 11:21:54 PM)
Science is simply keeping an open mind and an open eye. And it is all about the evidence. Religion is not about belief without evidence. It is about belief despite evidence. The fundamental disagreement is, let's be blunt, about whether religion belongs in school at all. Or, from the other point of view, whether science is just another religion and school just another church. Religion doesn't belong in school any more than it belongs in Court, the Legislature, the market, the workplace or in someone elses' bedroom. The freedom to practice religionas one pleases is the freedom to not be bothered by your god. The religious folks need to told, often, to get out of peoples faces. Nothing discriminatory about that. It only deals with the bad manners. That doesn't even confront the religiousocracy issue (which, just exactly?), or the factually fucked up issue (aka rejection of science, as if science were a competing religion rather than a knowledge vetting system). People can live on a flat Earth if they want. But getting in folks faces and trying to make them do the same, nu-uh.

DomKen -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 11:26:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Funny how it fits right into a progression of animals becoming more birdlike until we get real birds. Do you deny all that evidence? No, I'd just like to see it. Compsognathus Microraptor Archaeopteryx Jeholornis There are a lot more but that shows the progression. Google feathered dinosaurs or Mesozoic birds for more. quote: quote: Seriously. Okay, still no proof of evolution. That you flat refuse to acknowledge the evidence does not mean it is not there.

Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 11:42:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml Nice try, but the point still stands. What point? Nothing you said had any thing to do with what I was talking about. quote: It's true. In your mind but reality seems to say other wise. quote: Which is why in survey after survey Scientists in the vast majority opt for the scientific approach. Yep, let's vote on what the truth is and let the majority decide. But in that case we would still believe the sun revolves around the earth. quote: Oooh.. a lovely faith-based answer. Thanks but faith or not, that is always my answer. quote: You're best of going with the people that know what the fuck they're talking about (scientists) then figuring out - where there is debate - which group seems most credible to you. You need to look around, there have many well publicized cases lately of "people that know what the fuck they're talking about (scientists)", that have falsified their data, that doesn't seem very credible to me. quote: Asking a witchdoctor about science is likely to be a waste of time, unless he or she is a scientist as well. You keep using this term "witchdoctor", quite frankly I know no "witchdoctors", so I reiterate, I'll stick with those, scientist or not, that love the truth and not those who pad the data just to look good. ;-)

Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 11:48:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml Oh fuck! That'll be me. It wasn't my intention to use Thursdays as a sock. If you look at Thursday's "posts" you'll see that I'm pretty dilligent about erasing them when I screw up. [ETA] If you look at the Thursdays forum profile - http://www.collarchat.com/showProfile.asp?memid=1251907 you'll see I make it clear that there's a connection. For the punctilious amongst you, I've reported the Thursdays post to the mods. Thanks but not a problem with me. ;-) Well I appreciate the fact that you're not the type to throw a hissy fit. Wouldn't think of it. I'm just here for a little fun and relaxation. I've never understood how people can get so agitated over a few words on a screen. ;-)

crazyml -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/17/2014 11:51:40 PM)
Ditto ;-)

Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/18/2014 12:19:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake Science is simply keeping an open mind and an open eye. And it is all about the evidence. That would be nice but is not always true. quote: Religion is not about belief without evidence. It is about belief despite evidence. Yes, some religion is like that but not all religions is. quote: The fundamental disagreement is, let's be blunt, about whether religion belongs in school at all. Or, from the other point of view, whether science is just another religion and school just another church. I believe that religion has no place in public schools and am a strong believer in separation of church and state, although probably not for the same reasons most would give. quote: Religion doesn't belong in school any more than it belongs in Court, the Legislature, the market, the workplace or in someone elses' bedroom. The freedom to practice religionas one pleases is the freedom to not be bothered by your god. The religious folks need to told, often, to get out of peoples faces. Nothing discriminatory about that. It only deals with the bad manners. That doesn't even confront the religiousocracy issue (which, just exactly?), or the factually fucked up issue (aka rejection of science, as if science were a competing religion rather than a knowledge vetting system). People can live on a flat Earth if they want. But getting in folks faces and trying to make them do the same, nu-uh. It's a "free" country and that means that one person's freedom is going to rub up against someone else's freedom from time to time. As for rejection of science, personally I embrace it, I just don't think Evolution is good science and find it a bit tiresome that Evolutionists find it necessary to try and work it into every thing that is even remotely scientific. ;-)

Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/18/2014 12:48:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Compsognathus Microraptor Archaeopteryx Jeholornis There are a lot more but that shows the progression. Google feathered dinosaurs or Mesozoic birds for more. I can only hope you are joking. That "progression of animals" has more holes in it than Swiss cheese. And I'm not talking about just the ones you mentioned but the series of animals shown in the "complete" "progression of animals". quote: That you flat refuse to acknowledge the evidence does not mean it is not there. No, I guess it doesn't but it would be helpful if there was some evidence to acknowledge. ;-)

Rule -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/18/2014 1:39:43 AM)
FR Flying Spaghetti Monster calling M&M. Flying Spaghetti Monster calling M&M. Flying Spaghetti Monster calling M&M. M&M: Yes? Who is this please? FSM: It is ME. M&M: Oh no! Not ME! FSM: To wit: It is ME indeed. Now hear this. I confess to being stupid. ME being stupid is the consequence of having to track every particle in the two universes; that does not leave much computing capacity for smarts. So I forgot to create evolution - and about thirty-three zillion other things - when I created the universe. But ... I am not that stupid, so as a fail-safe I created Charles Darwin and fucked up his brain. Yes, I freely admit that he was not as stupid as I am. In any case, as soon as Darwin proposed his erroneous hypothesis about the origin of the five species (starfish, humans, cows, tulips and cockroaches), I immediately realized the huge improvement that was on my creation and therefore I subsequently retro-actively incorporated the evolution process into this and the other universe from before the very beginning. So that is why humans, cows, starfish and cockroaches are no longer limited to eating tulips only. I hope that you are sufficiently enlightened now? Please recall that every time you eat spaghetti, you partake of my body and my essence and celebrate our existence. Be blessed and add sauce. Flying Spaghetti Monster out.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/18/2014 3:25:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam For thousands of years, many knew that the earth was flat and rested on the back of a giant turtle. A Terry Pratchett fan Hilly?? [:)] Methinks Miles has been reading too many faerie stories too. And he still hasn't come back with any tangible proof of his claims beyond what is inside his cranium. Have you heard the phrase do not throw your pearls before swine? Or there are none so blind as those who will not see? No matter how strong the proof you would not listen, if you really want proof ask again when you are willing to listen. ;-) Many of us have provided links and explained with proof. Where's YOUR proof, huh?? You have not provided any! None whatsoever. If you can provide any sort of proof - we'll listen. But refrain from spouting from the book of lies and from voices in your head. Give us some tangible, independant proof - not hearsay.

Lucylastic -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/18/2014 3:35:53 AM)
you know you got more chance of becoming the popes third wife, dont you.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/18/2014 3:37:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml Bless you and your faith. Species creation doesn't happen all at once, it's a gradual thing - With reproduction between the old and new species gradually getting less likely to succeed as they evolve. Nice try but there is a difference between natural variation within a species and mating between differing species. [ That's not what he said. Are you being deliberately obtuse?? quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles quote: I know it's upsetting, but the vast vast vast bulk of the evidence - You know, like 1000 to 1, points to evolution by natural selection as a practical, real thing. Even if it was true it wouldn't upset me, it's just not true. So where is YOUR evidence that your way is the truth?? Provide some tangible evidence. All you have done is side-step the issue completely. quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles quote: When people first started utilizing evolution by human selection four thousand years ago, your shonky witchdoctors were claiming the world was flat, and burning men of science. That must be your witchdoctors, because on my side no one thought the world was flat or burned scientists. History proves you wrong. Many religious texts have decried anything other than the religious teachings and many 'scientists' of the day were burned as heretics. You are denying your own written history. Try some reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles quote: Tell ya what... I'll go with the science, you go with your witchdoctor. I'll tell you what you go with what ever strikes your fancy but looking at the track record of some men of science over the years, I'll go with those who love the truth first and ask them what they call themselves later. ;-) Some men of ancient science compare to all men of religion.... I know which are the better ones.

DomKen -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/18/2014 6:14:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Compsognathus Microraptor Archaeopteryx Jeholornis There are a lot more but that shows the progression. Google feathered dinosaurs or Mesozoic birds for more. I can only hope you are joking. That "progression of animals" has more holes in it than Swiss cheese. And I'm not talking about just the ones you mentioned but the series of animals shown in the "complete" "progression of animals". Another ancient creationist canard. The demand to see every single link in the evolutionary chain before he'll believe it. Now I'm bored with you Your claim about wanting the full record http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html Your claim about sex not being able to evolve http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB350.html http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB610.html So standard creationist bunk. Didn't someone start off by denying being a creationist and insist their ideas were scientific?

Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/18/2014 6:56:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 That's not what he said. That is exactly what he said. quote: Are you being deliberately obtuse?? Are you? quote: So where is YOUR evidence that your way is the truth?? Provide some tangible evidence. What proof is needed to ask some questions? quote: All you have done is side-step the issue completely. I asked some questions and have gotten little or no proof, it seems that the Evolutionists on this thread are pretty good dancers themselves. quote: History proves you wrong. Many religious texts have decried anything other than the religious teachings and many 'scientists' of the day were burned as heretics. You are denying your own written history. Like I pointed out, it is not my or my beliefs written history but then you don't seem to be listening. quote: Try some reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth Why? I have always believed that the Earth is reasonably Spherical, since God created the Earth he would know that also and if you're interested, which I doubt, that "ancient book of lies" that you like to mention, says the Earth is Spherical and did many centuries before the things your are talking about happened. (Isaiah 40:22) quote: Some men of ancient science compare to all men of religion.... I know which are the better ones. I only pointed out that one should be careful not to trust someone just because of what they call themselves, whether that be religious or scientist but feel free to trust people that call themselves scientist if you wish. ;-)

VideoAdminGamma -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/18/2014 10:22:43 AM)
You would be wrong, yet again. No one gets exceptions to the rules. Now the responsible thing to do would have been report it, instead of the snide comments posted into the discussion. The fortunate thing about this is that the person that made the mistake did report it themselves, and the staff took care of it. DaddySatyr, as you have been instructed in the past, if you believe a post is a violation then report it. If you have questions about the guidelines and/or the application of them, then you can contact either me or Chi. Members may have more than one account. It is a violation of community guidelines to post with more than one account on a topic. In this case a mistake happened and the person that made the mistake was a decent enough person and responsible, so they reported it themselves. If anyone has any questions they can contact either me or Chi. Do not reply to this post. Thank you for being a part of CollarMe, Gamma quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles Why thanks, most forums I've been on don't allow a person to post under two names in the same thread. I'll keep that in mind. ;-) Oh, it's a *clear* violation of the ToS but, some people are special; bless their little pea-pickin' hearts.

eulero83 -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/18/2014 4:24:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles Why? I have always believed that the Earth is reasonably Spherical, since God created the Earth he would know that also and if you're interested, which I doubt, that "ancient book of lies" that you like to mention, says the Earth is Spherical and did many centuries before the things your are talking about happened. (Isaiah 40:22) for what I could find the thing you named says: quote: He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. a circle is a plane figure while a sfere is another thing and is a solid, so no they didn't get it, by the way it would be impossible to spread the heavens on a sphere as at least a half would be without any heaven above.

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