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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 2:29:17 PM   
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I agree with you.
but what do you put in place... how will it work, what happens in the transition?
who decides what
it wont be the people... not without bloodshed or a lot of it.
The rich are as corrupt as government is, the corporations dont give a shit, the people are woefully misinformed by the media, the pols, everyone.
What happens to the backbone of the country while all this is being done.
its far above my paygrade to even think of an answer, I agree with the sentiment, but humans have a way of corrupting anything they touch given any modicum of power over a population larger than ten.




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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 2:36:15 PM   
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only one republican/conservative person makes me happy...the rest i can do without.


I'm curious who that would be.

I admit...I have been a lot hasty in that statement... I have many republican friends/family but the fundys comes in all flavours... and I tend to tune them out or not get into politics or religion, unless pushed. Luckily my friends are the same kind of people.


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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 3:01:36 PM   
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The problem is not the Republican Party, it is the low standards of its constituents. Instead of the leadership leading --- and pulling up the sensibilities of the base, the leadership panders and grovels for votes.

As was once quoted, "Anyone can be President (or hold a elected office) of the United States, that's just one of the chances you must take."

Today, too, the House Republicans said that there is little likelihood of Immigration Reform in 2014 --- and the Reason? You guessed it. The reason is President Obama. It's his fault.

The real reason is the base's uniformed, inhumane, xenophobic intractability. The far right is all about anger, blame, and identity politics -- and not economic growth, family values, and helping the country as a whole. Compassionate Conservatism is DEAD.

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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 3:10:55 PM   
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Sums up the conservative approach.



Absolutely. Why listen to screaming Kool Aid drinking idiots.

You do


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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 3:14:26 PM   
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According to the Presidential Permit application, as reported in the State Dept's report, most of the oil transported through the Keystone XL would go to Gulf coast area refineries, not shipped overseas.


What is the main export of the US of A?

If you guessed "Refined Petroleum Products", you win a SEEGARRR

Just because it goes to a US refinery doesn't mean we get to use it. Petroleum is our largest export.

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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 3:19:55 PM   
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The problem is not the Republican Party, it is the low standards of its constituents. Instead of the leadership leading --- and pulling up the sensibilities of the base, the leadership panders and grovels for votes.

A-Fucken-men.
The older I get, the more I see Tocqueville being right-We are a nation ruled by mediocrity pandering the lowest possible denominator.
Which is freaking awful.

And Lucy, sadly, I agree, change won't happen w/o bloodshed. Mostly because I think those in power will do anything to stay there. Murder is nothing to these cats. After all, they start wars for shits and giggles (Thinking, for example, about Johnson being tough in Vietnam so he didn't look soft as he passed the Great Society laws domestically. 50,000 US dead, millions of Vietnamese, all so LBJ didn't look soft. Holy Fuck.).

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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 3:21:40 PM   
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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 3:25:52 PM   
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R.I.P. Republican credibility: Why their latest blatant lies show they've given up
We’ve long argued that the Republican Party is no longer a legitimate governing party. Never mind whether we agree with them on any particular policy issue, they are simply no longer a serious organization.
That fact was underscored again this week and over the weekend, in light of the release of two different official reports, one from the U.S. State Department on the proposed Keystone XL Pipeline project and another from the Congressional Budget Office on the economic outlook in light of the Affordable Care Act.
Never mind whether you agree with the Republican position on either of those two policies. The fact that the party feels it necessary to blatantly lie about what’s in each of those reports, specifically with regard to “job creation,” in order to advocate for their own policy positions, underscores yet again that these are simply not serious people are worth being taken seriously anymore …
more to be found
here
so weve got the xl pipeline, unemployment aid being cut off, the farm bill cutting s800, 000 per year for next ten years for snap and billions in subsidies. all being lied about.
Dumbarses with zero comprehension abilities falling for them hook line and sinker, then screaming them loud and proud and whinging when called on it
its hysterical.
you would think they were part of the one percent, not working joes like everyone else.


KXL comments:

According to the Presidential Permit application, as reported in the State Dept's report, most of the oil transported through the Keystone XL would go to Gulf coast area refineries, not shipped overseas.

The increased amount of crude we would be refining received through the KXL wouldn't likely reduce our dependence on oil, but it would reduce our dependence on oil from less stable countries.

Obamacare job killing comments:

That there are people who believe any politician in the US anymore amazes me. The GOP "mischaracterized" the CBO report. That's a very nice way of saying they lied for political gain.


I seem to recall a Democrat placing a bill before the House of Representatives that all the oil going through said pipeline would be for America's consumption. This was after it was determined those refineries would transport the 'slurggy' product to foreign ports (i.e. non-USA ports). So that America picks up the grand majority of risks with no payoff. That was the Democrat's point. If America is to shoulder the risk, then America gets the profit. That bill was shot down by House Republicans.

How about we place a prison or nuclear waste plant in your backyard (as in the plot of land immediately next to yours) there DS? Same idea. The pipeline would generate a few thousand temporary jobs for a few months then be 'manned' by fifty to a hundred workers at best. But if there is any sort of accident, America pays for the clean up. I'm told that this particular oil being sent through the pipeline is a real headache to clean up.

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What was really funny about the article was this line:
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But when you’ve got to lie, repeatedly, about demonstrable, independently verifiable facts, then you are not a legitimate advocate that deserves to be taken seriously.


I guess the Democrat Party is no longer "a legitimate advocate that deserves to be taken seriously," either.


The Republicans want it because it serves a corporation's interests....NOT....America's. Is your first loyalty, DS to the USA or some corporation? That is one of the problems undermining the Republican/Tea Party credibility. That we Americans are not even sure where their loyalties lie. Saying your an American and BEING American are two different things. When American lives take a backseat to corporate profits, its fair to question Republicans.


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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 3:26:04 PM   
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We can bury it right in the plot next to: "That depends on what your definition of 'is' is".





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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 3:29:23 PM   
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-Fucken-men.
The older I get, the more I see Tocqueville being right-We are a nation ruled by mediocrity pandering the lowest possible denominator.
Which is freaking awful.


The Ministry of Propaganda rocks on; the marketing/PR guys with the best soundbites wins.

If it doesn't fit, you must acquit. Worked like a charm for OJ.

And it works for "joe the plumber". Lemmings love their soundbites.. it's so much easier to throw out a derogatory catchphrase than actually deal with data. It also appeals to the masses who want to be spoonfed news (validity is inconsequential) in order to sound smart and have a scapegoat all in one.

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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 3:42:04 PM   
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R.I.P. Republican credibility: Why their latest blatant lies show they've given up

We’ve long argued that the Republican Party is no longer a legitimate governing party. Never mind whether we agree with them on any particular policy issue, they are simply no longer a serious organization.


"We've"....You.

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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 3:45:14 PM   
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that is from the article, not my words
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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 4:11:48 PM   
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LMAO, after 6 fucking years of Obama lies, Salon now thinks it's the Republicans with a credibility problem... You can't make this shit up

We've had 30 years of repub lies.

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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 4:15:25 PM   
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R.I.P. Republican credibility: Why their latest blatant lies show they've given up
We’ve long argued that the Republican Party is no longer a legitimate governing party. Never mind whether we agree with them on any particular policy issue, they are simply no longer a serious organization.
That fact was underscored again this week and over the weekend, in light of the release of two different official reports, one from the U.S. State Department on the proposed Keystone XL Pipeline project and another from the Congressional Budget Office on the economic outlook in light of the Affordable Care Act.
Never mind whether you agree with the Republican position on either of those two policies. The fact that the party feels it necessary to blatantly lie about what’s in each of those reports, specifically with regard to “job creation,” in order to advocate for their own policy positions, underscores yet again that these are simply not serious people are worth being taken seriously anymore …
more to be found
here
so weve got the xl pipeline, unemployment aid being cut off, the farm bill cutting s800, 000 per year for next ten years for snap and billions in subsidies. all being lied about.
Dumbarses with zero comprehension abilities falling for them hook line and sinker, then screaming them loud and proud and whinging when called on it
its hysterical.
you would think they were part of the one percent, not working joes like everyone else.


KXL comments:

According to the Presidential Permit application, as reported in the State Dept's report, most of the oil transported through the Keystone XL would go to Gulf coast area refineries, not shipped overseas.

The increased amount of crude we would be refining received through the KXL wouldn't likely reduce our dependence on oil, but it would reduce our dependence on oil from less stable countries.

Obamacare job killing comments:

That there are people who believe any politician in the US anymore amazes me. The GOP "mischaracterized" the CBO report. That's a very nice way of saying they lied for political gain.

What was really funny about the article was this line:
    quote:

    But when you’ve got to lie, repeatedly, about demonstrable, independently verifiable facts, then you are not a legitimate advocate that deserves to be taken seriously.


I guess the Democrat Party is no longer "a legitimate advocate that deserves to be taken seriously," either.

That's what we were told about the Alaskan oil. Most of which was immediately sold to Japan. If XL oil only needed to go to refinery...what's wrong with Oklahoma ?

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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 4:35:31 PM   
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According to the Presidential Permit application, as reported in the State Dept's report, most of the oil transported through the Keystone XL would go to Gulf coast area refineries, not shipped overseas.


What is the main export of the US of A?

If you guessed "Refined Petroleum Products", you win a SEEGARRR

Just because it goes to a US refinery doesn't mean we get to use it. Petroleum is our largest export.

Almost all of which is gasoline as oil exports are banned and the US is the world's leading gasoline exporter. Got to keep the price up here. Look: Here

Yes—for the most part. The relevant laws here date back to the 1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act, which directed the president to ban crude oil exports except in select circumstances. The exceptions: Over the years, the Commerce Department has handed out export licenses for certain types of oil. Crude from Alaska's Cook Inlet gets a pass.

So does oil that goes through the Trans-Alaskan Pipeline. So does any oil that's shipped to Canada for consumption there. So does heavy oil from certain fields in California. There are also exceptions for re-exporting foreign oil and for small swaps with Mexico. But all this added up to a modest 67,000 barrels per day in 2011.

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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 4:47:04 PM   
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nah I watch fox, n drudge n breitbart, n daliy caller, cnbc, zerohedge, marketwatch, jim cramer,yahoo, malkin, townhall, atlantic, american thinker for my excitement and giggles.
The schadenfreude comes from here, listening to wombats pretend they know anything.

Gawd! THAT'S kinky!

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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 5:01:52 PM   
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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 8:17:19 PM   
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the most disgusting slop going thru the pipelines is such a wonderful idea overland Canada and the USA ... with the attraction of how many jobs longer than two years?? 200-300 at what cost?
its not like there are ever any oil spills.
well you will have to ask the writer of the peace, Im really not a mind reader...
by the way, they lied with relish, but you notice that no one came back to back up that _"mischaracterized") bullshit. not one of the repubs posted to that thread.


A lot of that slop is already going there overland, Lucy. It's going by rail. I think the State Dept's report included factoring in the carbon footprint of continuing to transport by rail compared to the carbon footprint of building the pipeline and then utilizing the pipeline instead of the rail.

I won't speak for any one's posts other than my own. So, anyone not backing up the GOP party line should be taken up with them, not me.


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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 8:23:03 PM   
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KXL comments:
According to the Presidential Permit application, as reported in the State Dept's report, most of the oil transported through the Keystone XL would go to Gulf coast area refineries, not shipped overseas.
The increased amount of crude we would be refining received through the KXL wouldn't likely reduce our dependence on oil, but it would reduce our dependence on oil from less stable countries.

There are plenty of refineries closer to the oilfield than the gulf coast. The only reason to move the oil down there is to refine it for shipment over seas.


Read the report, Ken (I believe it's in the "Market" section). That was taken into account, too. All refineries don't have the same capacity to make the same stuff. I con't recall what the requirement was, but the US had over half the production capability of the total World production capability, and the Gulf Coast refineries accounted for over half of the total US production capability. I don't know where current excess capability is, or where the best opportunity for expansion lies, so there may be something there that points to not allowing the KXL, but there are merits for the pipeline.


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RE: R.I.P. Republican credibility: - 2/7/2014 8:28:35 PM   
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According to the Presidential Permit application, as reported in the State Dept's report, most of the oil transported through the Keystone XL would go to Gulf coast area refineries, not shipped overseas.

What is the main export of the US of A?
If you guessed "Refined Petroleum Products", you win a SEEGARRR
Just because it goes to a US refinery doesn't mean we get to use it. Petroleum is our largest export.


When should I expect arrival of my cigar? lol

Are you arguing against supplying more Canadian crude to the gulf state refineries in favor of it going off-shore for refining? Isn't that, effectively, outsourcing? The article was all about how the jobs aren't going to be created that Boehner and Co. have been touting. While that may very well be true, aren't there merits to increasing output somewhat while greatly increasing the percentage of crude we import from a friendly country?


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