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The RW media targets below the 50th percentile of the US population based on intelligence. Most of those folks don't know what the State Dept is but they can be counted upon to start screaming when their Masters in the media tell them to.
We've heard a lot of that.

Yep, and the State Dept. probably based their report just on Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and FOX News channel, right? Oh, hell, let's include Hannity, Mark Levin, and whatever other conservative (real or pretend) pundits you can think of. All of those impacted the US State Dept.'s report. Must be that RW-er John Kerry just being a ne'er-do-well.

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The RW media targets below the 50th percentile of the US population based on intelligence. Most of those folks don't know what the State Dept is but they can be counted upon to start screaming when their Masters in the media tell them to.
We've heard a lot of that.

Yep, and the State Dept. probably based their report just on Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and FOX News channel, right? Oh, hell, let's include Hannity, Mark Levin, and whatever other conservative (real or pretend) pundits you can think of. All of those impacted the US State Dept.'s report. Must be that RW-er John Kerry just being a ne'er-do-well.

Uh no. The state department based their numbers on the actual weighed and taxed tonnage that goes onto ships, trucks, trains and into pipelines to go to other countries.
Even you should know that.

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The RW media targets below the 50th percentile of the US population based on intelligence. Most of those folks don't know what the State Dept is but they can be counted upon to start screaming when their Masters in the media tell them to.
We've heard a lot of that.

Yep, and the State Dept. probably based their report just on Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and FOX News channel, right? Oh, hell, let's include Hannity, Mark Levin, and whatever other conservative (real or pretend) pundits you can think of. All of those impacted the US State Dept.'s report. Must be that RW-er John Kerry just being a ne'er-do-well.

Uh no. The state department based their numbers on the actual weighed and taxed tonnage that goes onto ships, trucks, trains and into pipelines to go to other countries.
Even you should know that.

Nice slight there, Hill.

Yet, the State Dept. came out in favor of building the pipeline. How did that happen?

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The RW media targets below the 50th percentile of the US population based on intelligence. Most of those folks don't know what the State Dept is but they can be counted upon to start screaming when their Masters in the media tell them to.
We've heard a lot of that.

Yep, and the State Dept. probably based their report just on Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and FOX News channel, right? Oh, hell, let's include Hannity, Mark Levin, and whatever other conservative (real or pretend) pundits you can think of. All of those impacted the US State Dept.'s report. Must be that RW-er John Kerry just being a ne'er-do-well.

Uh no. The state department based their numbers on the actual weighed and taxed tonnage that goes onto ships, trucks, trains and into pipelines to go to other countries.
Even you should know that.

Nice slight there, Hill.
Yet, the State Dept. came out in favor of building the pipeline. How did that happen?

My comment had nothing to do with what they were in favor of or not.
My comment was about the source of my data which you seemed to confuse with some entertainers/pablum feeders in the media.
Reading comprehension 101 would do you a world of good. You're a hell of a lot more intelligent than you have been acting on this thread.
Of course the state dept would be in favor of building the pipeline. Building the pipeline will enable us to EXPORT more refined petroleum products.

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You're missing (possibly deliberately) the entire argument.
Those pushing for why we need the Keystone XL now are outright lying.

Right. Like the State Department, in their Market Analysis. Goddamn RW-ers!!!

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Who says I don't support American refineries? What I don't support is the fact that they're lying to the public about why they need this.
According to some of those in the RW media, we don't have enough refineries as it is to support domestic need, much less exporting a few tens of millions of barrels. (another lie?)

The RW media probably didn't impact the State Department's report. It's pretty thorough.

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I have researched and found nothing about why the XL couldn't go alongside the existing line.
A lot of my RW friends that I ask about it will even go so far as to deny that a Keystone pipeline even exists and I'm making it up. Well, they do until I show them several years worth of production data.

Oh. well, Hell's Bells! If you haven't found anything, then, obviously no reasons exist.
I didn't read the section about siting options in the State Dept. report. You seem to care a lot more about that aspect than I do. It may show you the reasoning behind not siting it there. It also might not have anything about that option.

FR to all the above.
The RW media targets below the 50th percentile of the US population based on intelligence. Most of those folks don't know what the State Dept is but they can be counted upon to start screaming when their Masters in the media tell them to.
We've heard a lot of that.

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You: "Those pushing for why we need the Keystone XL now are outright lying."

Like the US State Department? They are the ones that are lying?

You: "According to some of those in the RW media, we don't have enough refineries as it is to support domestic need, much less exporting a few tens of millions of barrels. (another lie?)"

And, the US State Department...

Did you read the Market Analysis, Hill? Did you read why the State Department is in favor of the Keystone XL?

Or, are you now hedging and trying to squirm away from blaming the RW for things that the RW had nothing to do with?

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You: "Those pushing for why we need the Keystone XL now are outright lying."
Like the US State Department? They are the ones that are lying?
You: "According to some of those in the RW media, we don't have enough refineries as it is to support domestic need, much less exporting a few tens of millions of barrels. (another lie?)"
And, the US State Department...
Did you read the Market Analysis, Hill? Did you read why the State Department is in favor of the Keystone XL?
Or, are you now hedging and trying to squirm away from blaming the RW for things that the RW had nothing to do with?

I said The RW media is telling us that this is necessary for domestic use. That is a lie.
I said the RW media complains that we don't have enough refining capacity for domestic use because of "That damned EPA" How can that be if our biggest export is refined petroleum? (as you acknowledged). Pointing out another lie that the feebleminded suck up like mother's milk.
Why does the pipeline have to go to a port city instead of a cheaper route to refineries in OK?
Answer "Because it's for EXPORT".
The Keystone XL isn't for the American people, it's for Exxon/Mobile.

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As its being pulled out of canadian grounds.....omg they are NON americans....and its NON american ground.
What is your point.

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of course you do...do youhave any clue of the antipathy against the xl pipeline by people living in or near the sands?
of course not you are an americancapitalist.
little things like that dont matter

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At the risk of repeating myself ad nauseam
of course it is YOUR opinion, you are an american capitalist who will ignore everything but the greedy money side of it.
fuck anything else...
its AMERICANs who need it
BOLLOCKS

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and why dont they??
you mean the building of it and the transfer is not of interest to canadians? it wont touch canadian lands, peoples homes, native lands?
really????
how fucking ignorant

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Exxon/Mobil doesn't employ Americans at American refineries?

Everything we refine from KXL will be exported?

I'm very glad you have acknowledged you didn't read the Market Analysis, Hill. You would have a better understanding of why it's a good idea to get that sludge to the Gulf area if you had, though.

Is exporting a bad thing, Hill?

Does supply and demand no longer work if we increase the amount of refined petroleum products on the global market?

If KXL isn't built, what happens to that sludge? Does it not get pulled out of the ground? Or, does it go somewhere else, for non-Americans to refine and profit from?

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Exxon/Mobil doesn't employ Americans at American refineries?
Everything we refine from KXL will be exported?
I'm very glad you have acknowledged you didn't read the Market Analysis, Hill. You would have a better understanding of why it's a good idea to get that sludge to the Gulf area if you had, though.
Is exporting a bad thing, Hill?
Does supply and demand no longer work if we increase the amount of refined petroleum products on the global market?
If KXL isn't built, what happens to that sludge? Does it not get pulled out of the ground? Or, does it go somewhere else, for non-Americans to refine and profit from?

1. Where did I acknowledge that I didn't read the analysis?
2. I have acknowledged that exporting is not a bad thing.
3. The increases in petroleum prices about 6 years ago (some places saw gas selling for over $5/gallon) in spite of higher supplies and lower demand should put to rest the supply and demand fallacy where it regards petroleum.
My entire point of this entire thread is that LYING to the American public to get what you want is a bad thing. No more, no less.
I haven't even said that the pipeline shouldn't be built.
I've only questioned why it isn't being built along the existing ROW.
Again. Reading comprehension 101 would do you a world of good.
You're quite intelligent and should stop acting otherwise.

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You still need to work on following your own advice, Hill.

1. Your statements and questions demonstrate that you haven't read the Market Analysis.
2. Why gripe about the KXL being built only for exports (which isn't true)?
3. Why did prices go up, then?