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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 7:35:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

And a book published by an osteopath is a "scientific discovery" rather than speculation how, exactly?

It's almost all speculation. I never presented this a fact, I am just not going to be bound by books and mysticism.

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 7:37:00 PM   
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The science of genetics is only about 144 years old


Hmm... I guess it rather depends on how you define a "Science" in the context of this.

People have been managing the evolution of crops by exploiting natural selection for thousands of years.



Superfluous




You claimed that the science of genetics is only about 144 years old. Which it patently isn't. Farmers have been engaged in the science of genetics for thousands of years. So rather than being "superfluous", I'm pointing out that your argument is specious nonsense.

But hey...




I posted on this

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 7:57:29 PM   
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Thanks......That explains WHY it was used for coinage but apart from that, what other uses could it be put to ? Yes, it didn't corrode easily but so what ? What could you use it for ? A non-corroding but very bendy spear head maybe ? *smile*. basically it was totally useless apart from as a decoration or as coinage.


Gold is used in computer parts and other technological stuff because of its non corroding properties.

Gold is also a super conductor of electricity.

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 8:00:14 PM   
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I transmitted this question about alien genetic manipulation of humans to my superiors.

Their reply:

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Seriously? You really had to ask that question?

If we or any other known species had done anything to change or guide human evolution on that planet, dont you think we would have insured that people like Lee Halpin, Gary Allen Banning, Sérgio A. Rosa, not to mention a number of politicians around that planet would never have been born?

We would have eliminated the stupidity gene from the race.

An intelligent species do not build large housing developments in the hunting grounds of large predators, go swimming in water known to be the habitat of large reptiles with a fondness for meat, or fish that tend to take large portions of flesh to taste to determine nutritional value.

Furthermore, we refer you to your recent report entitled "Reality Television."

The Science Directorate is unsure whether the human race is actually intelligent, or merely very lucky advanced tool users.

It has already been decided that it will be at least another 500 Galactic years before we dare make contact.

Chairman of the Anthropology committee.



I don't know what a galactic year is but there is much of our DNA just as in brain capacity we don't use.

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 8:11:10 PM   
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Again, point taken, but it could also mean only evidence of crossbreeding between the sub-species.
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That certainly could be true. It must be admitted that there remains much to be be discovered.

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 8:56:23 PM   
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Thanks......That explains WHY it was used for coinage but apart from that, what other uses could it be put to ? Yes, it didn't corrode easily but so what ? What could you use it for ? A non-corroding but very bendy spear head maybe ? *smile*. basically it was totally useless apart from as a decoration or as coinage.


Gold is used in computer parts and other technological stuff because of its non corroding properties.

Gold is also a super conductor of electricity.


Uhm, do you even know what superconductivity means??? Obviously not, if you think gold is one

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 9:34:51 PM   
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A couple of points:

DNA was not discovered in 1899. DNA was discovered in 1953. Mendel's paper on genetics and heredity was published in 1866. There is a lot of difference between genes and DNA.

The value of money of any kind is not determined by the issuer. The value of money is in what you can purchase with it.

Gold is a super conductor of electricity. It is not a superconductor of electricity.

Anyone who thinks that because they don't know how to do something it is evidence of alien life forms is tragically undereducated. I remember watching a documentary on raising an obelisk where the archeologists tried, and failed to raise one. Any 2nd year engineer could have told them what they were doing wrong (it has to do with statics and strengths.) The Nasca Lines, which could only be detected from aircraft isn't proof of aliens. It is only proof of geometry.

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 9:46:14 PM   
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One last thing, to the OP:

The Truth is Out There.
The Lies Are In Your Head.


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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 9:56:46 PM   
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A couple of points:

DNA was not discovered in 1899. DNA was discovered in 1953. Mendel's paper on genetics and heredity was published in 1866. There is a lot of difference between genes and DNA.

The value of money of any kind is not determined by the issuer. The value of money is in what you can purchase with it.

Gold is a super conductor of electricity. It is not a superconductor of electricity.

Anyone who thinks that because they don't know how to do something it is evidence of alien life forms is tragically undereducated. I remember watching a documentary on raising an obelisk where the archeologists tried, and failed to raise one. Any 2nd year engineer could have told them what they were doing wrong (it has to do with statics and strengths.) The Nasca Lines, which could only be detected from aircraft isn't proof of aliens. It is only proof of geometry.


All right, you are going to have ta explain that one. Cause in all my years I have never heard the difference between super conductor and superconductor...

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 10:21:19 PM   
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A couple of points:

DNA was not discovered in 1899. DNA was discovered in 1953. Mendel's paper on genetics and heredity was published in 1866. There is a lot of difference between genes and DNA.

The value of money of any kind is not determined by the issuer. The value of money is in what you can purchase with it.

Gold is a super conductor of electricity. It is not a superconductor of electricity.

Anyone who thinks that because they don't know how to do something it is evidence of alien life forms is tragically undereducated. I remember watching a documentary on raising an obelisk where the archeologists tried, and failed to raise one. Any 2nd year engineer could have told them what they were doing wrong (it has to do with statics and strengths.) The Nasca Lines, which could only be detected from aircraft isn't proof of aliens. It is only proof of geometry.


All right, you are going to have ta explain that one. Cause in all my years I have never heard the difference between super conductor and superconductor...


Gold is a good conductor. It is not a superconductor.

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 10:29:33 PM   
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Superconductor, one word, is a material that can maintain a current with no applied voltage. They are generally made out of exotic materials including rare-earths and really whacky ceramics and are only superconductive at very low temperatures.

Super conductor, two words, the 'super' is merely an adjective to modify the noun 'conductor.' As in "That's a super idea!" or "Golly gee! This ice-cream tastes super!"

Gold is the fifth best naturally occurring conductor. Graphene, silver, copper and annealed copper are all better conductors. Gold, as has been noted, is non-oxidizing so it is the best material for contacts (the pins in your cable.)

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 10:33:30 PM   
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Superconductor, one word, is a material that can maintain a current with no applied voltage. They are generally made out of exotic materials including rare-earths and really whacky ceramics and are only superconductive at very low temperatures.

Super conductor, two words, the 'super' is merely an adjective to modify the noun 'conductor.' As in "That's a super idea!" or "Golly gee! This ice-cream tastes super!"

Gold is the fifth best naturally occurring conductor. Graphene, silver, copper and annealed copper are all better conductors. Gold, as has been noted, is non-oxidizing so it is the best material for contacts (the pins in your cable.)


All right, you are going to have to give a link on that there definition. I have scoured the net on both claims, super conductor (two words) and gold being one, and got nada. You have gotta show your work on this one. No one is disputing gold is a conductor, hell they used it in the lunar lander. But saying it is a superco... err super conductor? Need some backup on that one. Otherwise, keep the adjectives to a minimum, they tend to get us science geeks testy

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 10:48:32 PM   
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Um, you can't be that "sciency."

Superconductivity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductivity

The conductivity in gold is measurable as above 0 Ohms. It is, however, one of the best conductors at 4.10X10^7 siemens/meter. Hence the adjective (or superlative if you will) super.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity_and_conductivity

Punctuation, or in this case a space, is the difference. In fact, I specifically said it wasn't a superconductor.

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 10:53:13 PM   
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Um, you can't be that "sciency."

Superconductivity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductivity

The conductivity in gold is measurable as above 0 Ohms. It is, however, one of the best conductors at 4.10X10^7 siemens/meter. Hence the adjective (or superlative if you will) super.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity_and_conductivity

Punctuation, or in this case a space, is the difference. In fact, I specifically said it wasn't a superconductor.



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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 11:02:52 PM   
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I tell ya what. You say its valid to use "Super" for Gold, so prove it. Find three link references to it being used to describe Gold as a conductor. Out of the entire internet, try to find three links calling gold a super conductor. Do that and I will say good job, wow I am impressed. Can't, and I will have to call this what it is, a really complex really scientific way of explaining a bullshit definition... (just the way I see it)

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 11:10:22 PM   
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There is an old joke, "I are an engineer!"

The funny thing is that engineers have to learn excellent language skills or you end up with things like the following:
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/30/mars.metric/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw
And any tech manual translated from Japanese.

In my last job I had to tell the people with literature degrees to correct many errors in their wording so that power plants didn't cease to work when they were misread. :-)


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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 11:38:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

There is an old joke, "I are an engineer!"

The funny thing is that engineers have to learn excellent language skills or you end up with things like the following:
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/30/mars.metric/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw
And any tech manual translated from Japanese.

In my last job I had to tell the people with literature degrees to correct many errors in their wording so that power plants didn't cease to work when they were misread. :-)




Yeah, well all I know is, if I had called gold a super conductor or superconductor or whatever, when I was in school (waaayyy way back when) not only would I have gotten an F, but I would have been laughed out of the lecture hall. Engineers take that kind of stuff kinda seriously yaknow

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/10/2014 11:46:45 PM   
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Um, I am an engineer. That is why I made the joke in the first place.

If I have to explain it to you further it'll just make both of us look like asses. Or more like asses.

2+2=5, for certain values of 2.

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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/11/2014 12:25:34 AM   
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jlf1961 is right on this one - the evolution (mutation) of man.
The important thing to note is that evolution started from Hardy-Weinberg theory and eugenics to currently RNAi technology and yes, genetic engineering on humans. There are "designer babies".
What causes mutations (based on environment, from the way we attain our food and the type of food we consume, to the temperatures during night and day, geography etc.) is known as the epigenome. Although genetics and DNA are also affected by hereditary traits, personal ethics and values etc.
RNAi technology is known as "gene silencing" and scientists believe they can use it to map out the human genome and be able to silence genes that may cause a predisposition to certain diseases like cancer. It's here and now.
I actually did quite a bit of research into eugenics myself. Lincoln for example was an extremely tall man in his time though barely over 6 feet tall. Most men in that era were shorter than 5'9. (Relatively recent). Another instance is that a giraffe mutated to have a long neck for sake of survival, being able to reach the leaves of trees that grew taller in time.
There are great papers about what factors may cause one of three types of mutation in man, however the best of them all are the Oxford papers on Biometrics, otherwise known as: Biometrika.
Right now is peculiar because we are seeing a lot of the changes in the planet accelerated by our behaviors and by us changing the landscape of the planet itself. Monocelled organisms mutate and evolve MUCH faster than multicelled organism because their make up is the far less complex RNA as opposed to DNA so they may be able to keep up with the accelerated change in the atmosphere, especially in warmer climates. Ergo, the super virii which are now emerging. Thankfully a virus can only mutate one of two ways usually, to be more contagious OR more lethal, rare to see a combination of the two but scientists are keeping their eyes peeled in the meantime.


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I'm with you jlf , although in my time at sea around this ball of mud, I have seen some VERY strange things. I have learned not to let them play on my mind too much though...............that way lies madness *smile*.
One thing though............if you can get a hold of a book called 'What Happened When', written around the british Time Team, you will see a pic of one of the nutty bastards wearing a suit of armour ( Tudor or Pre-Tudor, I think), so either the bloke who wore it first could be a big-fella, or Phil, the fella wearing the tin suit could be a bit of a short-ass. Having watched the programme many times, I would bet on the former.
I went to Arundel castle when I was about 8 to 10 years old and there was a suit of armour there that would have fitted me perfectly at the age I was then, so I agree with you again, most of those guys (and it's only 450 years ago) were a hell of a lot shorter than modern man.


While working on my master's in history, I did some studies on the physiological differences over the development of modern man. Otzi, the ice man was short and stocky, pretty common for his era, however, as technology developed leading to changes in diet, it seems homo sapiens grew taller, and depending on the prevailing climate, leaner. Peoples indigenous to colder climates maintained a stocky body while increasing in height.

Just like there has been a recent discovery in the genetic makeup of the human species that shows a marked resistance to disease. Interesting enough, it was discovered among the hemophiliac population during the worst of the HIV/AIDS epidemic. It was discovered that some of the patients receiving whole blood never developed HIV or AIDS. Blood tests would reveal the virus in their system, but no antibodies, and eventually the virus seemed to die off. In other words these people just broke the rules and did not get sick.

A researcher got curious and studied their DNA compared to AIDs patients. He noticed that the patients not contracting AIDs had a different genetic make up in one specific area. He traced this back to people that during initial and subsequent plague events in the British isles seemed to initially contract plague, but then seemed to beat it in the first stage. Others just never got it, although DNA tests showed the plague was in their physical remains, found in a portion of the teeth that retained blood at time of death. These individuals died of natural causes, like old age, but not of plague.

Basically a random mutation among a small population has carried on to the present, however still rare.

This prompted studies looking for unique traits that, if allowed, could be introduced to the general population, but that means genetic engineering on humans which is illegal under International Law, UN and other treaties, and most fundamentalist Christian and Islamic religions.

Of course that is a topic for another discussion.



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RE: Gods of the New Millennium - 2/11/2014 12:27:14 AM   
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Um, I am an engineer. That is why I made the joke in the first place.

If I have to explain it to you further it'll just make both of us look like asses. Or more like asses.

2+2=5, for certain values of 2.


But... MrRogers, the guy you posted to defend, didn't post it as a joke. he meant it seriously. So, by you posting in his defense, I, and I take it others thought you also meant it seriously... Obviously I missed the part where you were joking, because we have been dragging this discussion out for quite some time.

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