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Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 4:47:02 PM   
ARIES83


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Status: offline 		At the height of the economic crisis when some people were fearing the worst and beginning to prepare for a government collapse. A lot of people started to stockpile silver with the hope that it would enable them to trade for goods after paper money became useless.

To all you Preppers, I was wondering did you go this route? Or what were your ideas about commodities and trading in the event people were unable to just go to the store and buy things.

What commodities ideally would you wish to have to trade/ what would be those commodities you think would have the most utility in those kind of situations?

Guns and Ammo? grains?

And what if anything have you done to date in terms of preparing down that path?

On the same kind of note. What do you believe would be solid basis for a barter/ basic commodities economy?
Say a community that was self-sufficient.

I don't know much about Amish people but I'm assuming their way of life would be a good model.

Just became curious about this stuff all of a sudden... No idea why.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 4:54:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		silver is a dumb thing to stockpile.

If you are really worried about the collapse of society stockpile goods you can barter. non perishable food stuff, ammo, tools, liquor, spare parts, nails, screws etc.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 5:13:38 PM   
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silver is a dumb thing to stockpile.

If you are really worried about the collapse of society stockpile goods you can barter. non perishable food stuff, ammo, tools, liquor, spare parts, nails, screws etc.


Agreed. Our barter items are handmade soap and liquor (we make a lemon wine). If money has no value, then silver/gold has no value. You can't eat, drink, wear or clean with it.


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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 5:37:20 PM   
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silver is a dumb thing to stockpile.

If you are really worried about the collapse of society stockpile goods you can barter. non perishable food stuff, ammo, tools, liquor, spare parts, nails, screws etc.


Agreed. Our barter items are handmade soap and liquor (we make a lemon wine). If money has no value, then silver/gold has no value. You can't eat, drink, wear or clean with it.




Actually, gold more than silver will have value, if just by the fact it is gold.

While I may barter food, tools, ammo and materials would not be on my list to barter. But then, I have some land that can support grazing for cattle, also have deer and wild hogs (damn things breed like rabbits on fertility drugs,) and other game animals.

I also have a 2 year supply of non perishable food, and the necessary equipment to hot smoke meat to preserve it.

Not to mention that there is wind and solar power available at that location.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 5:50:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gold and silver will always have some value but if push comes to shove they are hard to eat.

But if you are truly looking for things of superior value, just think, if I run into someone who was totally unprepared for the "end", what are they going to need most?

Shelter, water, food, knowledge and things that will help you get those things.
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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 8:20:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Something no-one ever mentions: Spices.

In a collapse spices will be worth more than gold (by weight) simply because there won't be any trade with other countries and almost none of them are grown in North America. In fact saffron costs almost as much as gold now. Pepper, nutmeg and mace were what made trading empires all across Europe a few hundred years ago. Tea and coffee would also fetch a high price.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 8:55:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Salt will be very valuable as well. If you're really paranoid make sure you know where the nearest salt deposit is. You might want to be able to get control of it if the shit hits the fan.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 9:30:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		WATER, SALT, FLOUR, SUGAR, & ALCOHOL (both drinking & fuel) are obvious choices..

a STILL would be a VERY lucrative business, what's known as a ROCK still to make fuel alcohol...

something MOST people would never think of EARLY ON, TOILET PAPER HEHEH

BOOKS, especially tech manuals and do it yourself style books...

bullets but I would only take them IN as trade never out, well MAYBE odd caliber ones I would trade away...

another possibly lucrative business would be if you had a way to charge batteries

best alt power source would be a steam engine, connected to a truck alternator charging golf cart batteries with a power inverter...
BTW your boiler and still could be combined to produce heat, power & alcohol from a single fire box

yeahh I think about this a lil bit

PS. something really COOL a lot of people have never heard of is a Fresnel (spelling) lens
it will take simple sunlight and produce aprox1400 degrees of heat

if I was going to stockpile a METAL believe it or not I'd, ok AM stockpiling LEAD & copper, which can be worked into MANY use full things will realativly low heat

think drain/water pipes, it will make a roof tile that will NEVER EVER corrode or rust also sandwich it between layers of ceramic tile and you would not beleive the STOPPING power it has

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 9:44:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lead for water pipes? It leaches into the water. Not a good idea at all.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 9:47:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ammo (.22LR, common calibers like 9mm, 5.56, etc), matches, lighters, candles and wax, and sundries like toiletries (toothpaste, soaps, antiseptics). "Forever" foods like rice, salt, honey. Adding to MN's spice recommendation, Tabasco sauce. Lots of it, even it you don't like it, it has value all its own. "Mountain Money", toilet paper is always a good choice as it always 'holds its value'. Cigarettes/tobacco/rolling papers-if you're a smoker it's obvious, but non-smokers can reap the benefits of having a stockpile of these items as well. Since you don't use them, they represent pure profit. If you have access to a vacuum sealer, do so with this item, and it'll last longer. Socks, mittens, undergarments could also be in demand as well.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 9:51:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Canned goods, dry goods a whole lotta water. Buying silver and gold isn't for barter. It is for selling if the currency deflates in value and inflation skyrockets. One just needs to know when. I am getting financial alerts that tell me that gold will in a few years, be back to $3000/oz., some say eventually $5-6000/oz. If true, a very good hedge against inflation.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 9:51:49 PM   
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Lead for water pipes? It leaches into the water. Not a good idea at all.


are you kidding me? lead has been the STANDARD water line practicly since plumbing existed

here is the TRICK, the line will coat itself INSIDE with calcuim from the water that passed threw it...

I have a lead water line serving my house RIGHT NOW, from the main in the street to the tee head at the sidewalk and INTO the basement
if it were to be replaced it would be replaced with copper now, I bet 30 to 40% of the houses in they city of st Louis are LEAD...

OK OK let the BRAIN DAMAGE jokes commence

PS, I have been a plumber for 30 years!

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 9:53:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Then you are also aware that the reason Roman emperors were crazy was a result of lead poisoning from water being carried in lead pipes.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 9:54:55 PM   
BitYakin


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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 10:00:19 PM   
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Then you are also aware that the reason Roman emperors were crazy was a result of lead poisoning from water being carried in lead pipes.


I am aware of NO SUCH THING

if that were TRUE, then every person who lived in a large city in in the 20's 30's 40's 50's and 60's would be CRAZY

here is a LILKNOWN FACT for ya during WW2 IRON water lines were used as main supply due to the need for lead for bullets, after WW2 they RETURNED to using LEAD, and continued well into the late 50's

soooo if you grew up in a large city, you ALMOST SURELY drank water threw a LEAD MAIN WATERLINE!

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 10:14:36 PM   
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Then you are also aware that the reason Roman emperors were crazy was a result of lead poisoning from water being carried in lead pipes.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_pipe

For many centuries, lead was the favoured material for water pipes, due to its malleability (this use was so common that the word "plumbing" derives from the Latin word for lead).

Despite the Romans' common use of lead pipes, their aqueducts rarely poisoned people. The Roman water had so much calcium in it, that a layer of plaque prevented the water contacting the lead itself. What often causes confusion is the large amount of evidence of widespread lead poisoning, particularly amongst those who would have had easy access to piped water.[3][4] This was an unfortunate result of lead being used in cookware and as an additive to processed food and drink, such as a preservative in wine

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 10:30:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think so. Lead has been understood to be toxic as a water container most of the 20th century. The early days of canning foods ended up teaching some harsh lessons. Several Polar expeditions probably came to grief due to the undeveloped technology of metal canned foods. Lead water mains don't do well as the metal has poor strength so deeply buried pipes are subject to collapse. Iron does fine.
Municipal systems stopped using lead long before household supply lines and internal plumbing moved to copper or iron and later plastic. Most water borne exposure by anyone now living is from the lead that was used in the solder for copper pipes. Which isn't a problem if the soldering is done excellently (No hot flow into the pipe interior), but as this was rare, it was phasing out by the 60s and soon banned by the Feds.
The stories about Roman water pipes is contradicted by Wikipedia, as the water the supplied Rome was so hard, calcium deposits quickly coated any lead used for piping and isolated the water from the toxic metal. The lead found in Roman cadavers was from widespread use of lead in cooking utensils, coloring and dyes in ceramic goods, makeup, medicines and a host of other materials the well to do used.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 10:43:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitYakin


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Lead for water pipes? It leaches into the water. Not a good idea at all.


are you kidding me? lead has been the STANDARD water line practicly since plumbing existed

here is the TRICK, the line will coat itself INSIDE with calcuim from the water that passed threw it...

I have a lead water line serving my house RIGHT NOW, from the main in the street to the tee head at the sidewalk and INTO the basement
if it were to be replaced it would be replaced with copper now, I bet 30 to 40% of the houses in they city of st Louis are LEAD...

OK OK let the BRAIN DAMAGE jokes commence

PS, I have been a plumber for 30 years!

I thought PVC (polymer) was the trick shit now...even for mains to the house ?

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 10:50:06 PM   
BitYakin


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Status: offline 		Lead water mains don't do well as the metal has poor strength so deeply buried pipes are subject to collapse. Iron does fine.

that would depend on the size of buried water line you refer to

a 1/2 to 3/4 inch ID lead water line underground will have NO PROBLEMS, now a 4" MAIN water line would be problematic as for it to be strong enough the pipe wall would have to be EXTEREMLY thick to stand up to external pressures underground

while I can show you several 1/2 and upto 1" that run underground from the 4" cast iron mains to the houses I have NEVER seen a 4" lead water main in my life...
oddly the opposite is true of the same size galvanized iron pipe underground as the acidity in the dirt will cause it to corrode and collapse in 1/3 the time of a lead line!

the only place I am aware of that uses plastic line underground is texas where they bury it so shallowly its easy to get at and repair, which happens ALOT

it was the most common service call I'd make when I lived in san antonio

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/11/2014 10:50:12 PM   
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Then you are also aware that the reason Roman emperors were crazy was a result of lead poisoning from water being carried in lead pipes.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_pipe

For many centuries, lead was the favoured material for water pipes, due to its malleability (this use was so common that the word "plumbing" derives from the Latin word for lead).

Despite the Romans' common use of lead pipes, their aqueducts rarely poisoned people. The Roman water had so much calcium in it, that a layer of plaque prevented the water contacting the lead itself. What often causes confusion is the large amount of evidence of widespread lead poisoning, particularly amongst those who would have had easy access to piped water.[3][4] This was an unfortunate result of lead being used in cookware and as an additive to processed food and drink, such as a preservative in wine

Roman aqueducts were concrete (that they invented) I think, weren't they ? Lead in the air from gas until the 70's had to go too plus of course the lead paint that when chipped, the young kids ate or breathing the dust that as kids often did. So lead is on the way out still. Lead mitigation from internal construction is still necessary and expensive.

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