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Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 7:09:21 PM   
slavejali


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This is an offshoot of MzS's thread which I totally hijacked.

I have a hard limit, its "diapers". Strange isn't it, I can let someone beat me till I'm black and blue and bleeding..but the thought of wearing diapers....fuck.

I feel incredibly strongly about it and I have nothing to pull on that will reveal to me why I feel this way. I'm totally disconnected from it. I absolutely know the reason I judge other people who want to do that is due to my own intense feelings around it.

The simple truth is, I do not like being judgemental...and I know I'm a genrally easy going person and most things just slide off me like water off a ducks back. Heck, the things I have done in life, I would be so hypocritical to judge another person.

I'm also quite self-discplined, I have a mediator type personality, I enjoy trying to put myself into another persons shoes and trying to see their angle. I've got a good grasp of human nature and all the quirks that come along with it.

So anyways, that diaper thread caught me out. I reacted negatively and was still in that space when Master came home from lunch. He was rightfully upset with me and even when he was telling me how wrong I was, my thoughts were going "but but but but but but....." trying to justify my thoughts and feelings.

Now simply, the solution to this issue for me is to apologise, which I did, and the apology was sincere, especially the second one, once I had got my head together and balance back. Master is happy with me again. (yaa for me). All I had to do then was forgot about it, think about something else, and carry on. Done.

But I'm thinking about it, I'm thinking about how I was caught off guard. I'm thinking about how bloody pathetic I feel having me caught on a weakness and then allowing that weakness to take control of me in such a way that could be hurtful to another person. ...and I dont like that one bit.

So what to do?

Sweep it under the carpet ..till next time..or somehow process it. I dont even know where to begin.

See the diaper issue, isnt even an issue in our relationship, Master isnt into it, its never going to touch me...yet it has...through this board and my feelings around it could have potentially hurt someone...besides that..I dont like having weakness...i want this gone from me...now.

I can intellectually at this point say, "To each their own" regarding this issue..but I want it to be real..I want to feel that and actualise it...I dont want a weakness in me to ever hurt anyone else...

I'm really good at making things light hearted, I'm really good at directing my mind to positive directons...but some things you know are inside you...you know they are triggers..and you know they are just waiting dormant ready to explode....that's not good enough..I want it gone...and I cant do it through intellectualisation...

I know people will say get your Master to deal with it...and he is and will...part of the reason I write on these boards is that Master is deaf...and him seeing me interact with others on subjects gives him more information to deal with me. So thats why I'm doing this. Example: When I'm just interacting with Master, its easy just to not think about the hard stuff, the difficult stuff, the no go zones for me, simply because it doesnt effect us, its not part of our relationship anyways, ignorance is bliss so they say. Interacting with others can expose other stuff....its all good.

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I really don't know what people can say in regards to this subject...maybe its just a rant..and writing it will help me process or something...

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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 7:16:57 PM   
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I'm used to this reaction.

I've actually used diapers as an extreme control form in the past-many, many times. It's probably one of the biggest taboos of all-so I play with it. Because it breaks down sub-conscious inhibitions, like very few other things can.

Let me put it this way jali. Your reactions were probably programmed into you by your mother, during potty training- and you can't even recall that far back.

But you can certainly recall the FEELINGS it left behind.

In short,we aren't always rational.

But-realizing that, and saying "wait a minute".

Is the first step to getting control over it.

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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 7:17:21 PM   
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Hello slavejali,

Since you asked, I figured I would throw my $0.02 in.

I teach adrenalin response training.  I have experienced many
people driven into that dark closet of their mind (limbic system) which cannot really be accessed by cognitive thought, yet impinges itself on their day to day lives.  I have seen people cry.  I have seen people get blindly angry.  I have seen people go catatonic.  I have seen many things.  All of these things were the result of the training we do bringing out what I call the "Beast Under The Bed."

I was able to overcome my own feelings of guilt and remorse bringing these things to the forefront of the students consciousness with the idea that I did not cause that "Beast" to be there in her psyche.

What I would recommend to you is that your "hard limit" is not really an issue, especially if your Master is fine with it.  Where I think these things negatively impact a person's life is what they do with what they have.  To me, it is not what you think or how you feel, but what you have accomplished at the end of the day that matters.

But as usual, that is just me and I could be wrong.

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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 7:39:45 PM   
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slavejali:

I do not mean to remove any importance from your feelings, but I dont understand why you are so reactive to being repulsed by something.  Does that make you a bad person in your mind?  We're all repulsed by something, are we not?  If thats judgeing it, then we all judge something, even if we only judge judging itself.  It seems like you are beating yourself up ragged over your post.  I could be wrong...Its just the sense that I get.  I spoke to your post last night, not to pass judgement on you for disliking it, but simply because I didnt think it was reason for needing therapy, as you had stated. That was the point to my post. But damn, I dont think theres anything wrong with being repulsed by something.  Your feelings are valid for one reason or another, even if its some subconscious memory thats buried some where in the recesses of your mind.  We all have a hang up or two that rooted in childhood based on something we saw, heard or felt, and ultimately processed as a negative.  I could see apologizing for passing the therapy comment.  But apologizing for being turned off with something??    I am turned off by diapers.  Im turned off by cross dressing too, Im turned off with pony play and lots of things.   Doesn't mean  I codemn others for liking it, or course.  But Im  not going to feel guilty about stating a dislike for something.  Im sure some people would be turned off with some things that I enjoy as well. I just happen to think that if its cool to say we like something, it should also be acceptable and tolerated when we say we dont like something.  Why try to change it the way you feel about a particular kink?  Maybe that "feeling" is there for a reason. 

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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 7:44:28 PM   
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Jali,

It isn't the least bit abnormal for you to have something that completely wigs you out -- that comes close to being a phobia. I think that, since you're generally a sensitive and aware person, it's likely that if you ever -had- to deal with someone in a compassionate manner who set off your "inner squick", you'd do just fine. You might go home and completely blow a wicket -- but in the moment, you'd do just fine.

That being said, sometimes exposure will do what therapy can't. A little vignette from my own history to explain -- I was deathly afraid of spiders -- any spiders from little tiny baby spiders to big old hairy tarantulas. When I was a paramedic, I worked in New York. A car rolled in an abandoned lot with tall, somewhat dry grass. Inside the station wagon was a little boy of maybe six years old and his mom. Mom was hurt, but the little boy was pretty much ok. He was in the back seat, and wearing a seatbelt. The car was on its roof, and I, being the smallest person on my team (one of the first female paramedics in our city), was assigned to crawl in through the broken window and get the little boy's vitals and see what we'd need to do to get him out of the car. I was in the car, trying to talk to this little boy and take care of him while they got his mom out of the car. While I was laying there, this HUGE (ok, maybe it wasn't huge, but I remember it as being huge) round garden spider crawled up and sat on my arm. The LAST thing I could do was scream and bounce around like I was freaked out, so I focused on my work and tried to ignore it until it crawled off. My mind was in a frenzy, though, trying to figure out where it went and whether it was crawling up my back or something, all the while I was trying to take care of that little boy. I hated myself for it.

Several years later (25 to be exact) I live with a woman who -adores- spiders. She doesn't let anyone in the house kill them, and insists that they have their own corners to live in (yes, she -does- make us share the house with "those things"). it's funny, though -- at first, I freaked out horribly, but they seem to know she likes them, so we've always had lots of them around -- especially the small tiger spiders (I don't know what they're really called, but they're striped and jump). These days, I still won't let one crawl on me, and I still get crabby if they get up on the computer monitor and roll those ugly little eyestalks at me -- but I don't freak out about it any more, and I don't lose sleep worrying about whether they're going to crawl on me. Shoot, I've even kept from panicking long enough when one -did- crawl on me to get the bugger outside (that's hard limit for me -- if they're going to live in the house, that -doesn't- mean they can touch my body!!!)

Anyway... be gentle with yourself. We all do the best we can, and sometimes, that's not perfect, but it's ok... it gives us an opportunity to show ourselves compassion like we would show to others.

ZWD

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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 7:44:57 PM   
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hi slavejali - as usual i love your post. i react the same way when i see "intolerance" in myself. Yet, i am only human - and there are going to be things i feel strongly about and may never truly understand. Perhaps it's just individual makeup.
 
There are things others enjoy that i find disgusting - i'm allowed to find them disgusting as long as i know my opinion is only that and i don't start believing or acting like it's fact. If i find myself thinking they shouldn't like it, or they should realize it's disgusting, then i'm in a wrong mindframe - expecting others to feel how i do. So perhaps that's what you're referring to - and yet, what can you do but what you've done? Notice it, correct it once, correct it again and again and again if need be until the mind is trained not to judge another's preferences. Sometimes it helps me if i say "it's only lima beans". i happen to hate lima beans. LOL
 
This is one of the great liberators i realized in this lifestyle for me. It opened me up to accepting way more than i ever have in my life and making me realize how small minded and judgmental i've been. i still have far to go, but the good news, and i think this for you as well, is that i see where i'm at now.

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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 7:52:37 PM   
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Personally, I am freaked out by the idea of cross dressing. I have seen a few guys I really thought were women-it was an astounding transformation.

But if I were to visualize myself in thier postion?

OMG, I  see an oragutang it a tutu.

ACK...........

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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 8:08:17 PM   
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 LOL

Welcome to the club, dear jali ;)
Don't we all have our biases and inhibitions?

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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 8:10:41 PM   
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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 8:11:05 PM   
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Mine is scat. I heard about this one woman who bottomed at events, and she'd get in this kiddie swimming pool and let people poop and wizz on her, and even barf on her... and just thinking about it made me -retch-... I have some health background, and just thinking about the zillions of microbes and things like worms and toxins..... EEEEEEEWWWwwwwwwwww.

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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 8:12:51 PM   
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Yes Level,that would be the imagine-only not quite as cute.

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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 8:13:10 PM   
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jali, you're a human being, not everything is going to be "okay" with you; there isn't anything wrong with working to overcome our weakness, but the fact that you can identify it, and that you apologized to someone you felt you hurt means alot.

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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 8:15:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing

Mine is scat. I heard about this one woman who bottomed at events, and she'd get in this kiddie swimming pool and let people poop and wizz on her, and even barf on her... and just thinking about it made me -retch-... I have some health background, and just thinking about the zillions of microbes and things like worms and toxins..... EEEEEEEWWWwwwwwwwww.

ZWD


Same here. I can accept that adults choose to participate in it, but if I knew someone who did, every time I saw them, that's what would be on my mind.

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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 8:17:26 PM   
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Yes Level,that would be the imagine-only not quite as cute.


Heh heh. Monkeys always make one's day brighter.

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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 8:25:01 PM   
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You know Lev, that is some sad shit.......bringin that up after all these years......I used to go with a girl that looked like that once, but she was mean so I left her......

But oh, how ol' monkey face could give head......

It fair broke my rotten heart, it did.

Ron

(ass like a orangutan she had.......)
but I am wistful.


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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 8:28:41 PM   
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You know Lev, that is some sad shit.......bringin that up after all these years......I used to go with a girl that looked like that once, but she was mean so I left her......

But oh, how ol' monkey face could give head......

It fair broke my rotten heart, it did.

Ron

(ass like a orangutan she had.......)
but I am wistful.



LOL Ron....... I almost dated a woman simian, errrr, similar to that, but I couldn't get past her having more hair on her chest than me .

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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 8:28:46 PM   
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Perhaps your master will make you wear diapers in your Gi, when  next you go to class.......no one will know or notice.

Old people do it, young people do it.....why don't you do it...

I am just funning you lady........

Ron


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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 9:29:31 PM   
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Yes Level,that would be the imagine-only not quite as cute.


Heh heh. Monkeys always make one's day brighter.




This is why women need to be in charge of things. As soon as men take over a thread the next thing you know...a monkey in a dress giving head.


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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 9:32:40 PM   
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And women would have it how? In suit and tie?

I caint hang with that.........


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RE: Limits and Judgements - 7/6/2006 9:36:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Smythe

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

Yes Level,that would be the imagine-only not quite as cute.


Heh heh. Monkeys always make one's day brighter.




This is why women need to be in charge of things. As soon as men take over a thread the next thing you know...a monkey in a dress giving head.


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And this is superior to shoes-how?

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