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Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 1:22:46 PM   
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In New York, where they care about the poor and underserved, struggling students get the help they need. The costs of the program aren't disclosed, but the results speak for themselves.

Earlier this month, The Post exposed a scheme at Manhattan’s Murry Bergtraum HS for Business Careers in which failing students could get full credit without attending class, but instead watch video lessons and take tests online. One social-studies teacher had a roster of 475 students in all grades and subjects.Red-faced administrators encouraged a student letter-writing campaign to attack The Post and defend its “blended learning” program. Eighteen kids e-mailed to argue that their alma mater got a bad rap. ~Source
    A junior wrote: “What do you get of giving false accusations im one of the students that has blended learning I had a course of English and I passed and and it helped a lot you’re a reported your support to get truth information other than starting rumors.”

    Another wrote: “To deeply criticize a program that has helped many students especially seniors to graduate I should not see no complaints.”

    One student said the online system beats the classroom because “you can digest in the information at your own paste.”

    “Us as New York City Students deserve respect and encouragement,” one letter read. “We are the future of New York City and for some students, The future of the country.”
The future of the country, there's a scary thought.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 1:27:57 PM   
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In New York, where they care about the poor and underserved, struggling students get the help they need. The costs of the program aren't disclosed, but the results speak for themselves.

Earlier this month, The Post exposed a scheme at Manhattan’s Murry Bergtraum HS for Business Careers in which failing students could get full credit without attending class, but instead watch video lessons and take tests online. One social-studies teacher had a roster of 475 students in all grades and subjects.Red-faced administrators encouraged a student letter-writing campaign to attack The Post and defend its “blended learning” program. Eighteen kids e-mailed to argue that their alma mater got a bad rap. ~Source
    A junior wrote: “What do you get of giving false accusations im one of the students that has blended learning I had a course of English and I passed and and it helped a lot you’re a reported your support to get truth information other than starting rumors.”

    Another wrote: “To deeply criticize a program that has helped many students especially seniors to graduate I should not see no complaints.”

    One student said the online system beats the classroom because “you can digest in the information at your own paste.”

    “Us as New York City Students deserve respect and encouragement,” one letter read. “We are the future of New York City and for some students, The future of the country.”
The future of the country, there's a scary thought.

More here

K.



So it is more important that they pass than that they learn anything.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 1:32:27 PM   
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So it is more important that they pass than that they learn anything.



Well of course. You wouldn't want to damage their self-esteem, or keep them from being able to get into a good college, would you?

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 1:33:13 PM   
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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 1:33:43 PM   
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So it is more important that they pass than that they learn anything.



Well of course. You wouldn't want to damage their self-esteem, or keep them from being able to get into a good college, would you?

Your right! how silly of me.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 1:34:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Or the Post simply made the whole thing up to attack a school they don't like.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 1:36:37 PM   
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Or the Post simply made the whole thing up to attack a school they don't like.



Oh! How silly of us all. Of course. That makes perfect sense.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 1:37:49 PM   
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Or the Post simply made the whole thing up to attack a school they don't like.



Oh! How silly of us all. Of course. That makes perfect sense.

It is a government program and we must put our faith in the government.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 1:39:21 PM   
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Or the Post simply made the whole thing up to attack a school they don't like.



Project much?

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 1:41:41 PM   
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Or the Post simply made the whole thing up to attack a school they don't like.



Project much?



Maybe it's his Alma Mater.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 1:44:32 PM   
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Or the Post simply made the whole thing up to attack a school they don't like.



Oh! How silly of us all. Of course. That makes perfect sense.

You assume the worst when it confirms your biases. I see an article that includes not a single confirmable fact. No names on any of these "emails" and then the claim that one is from a "junior" How does the paper know this? Why is the Post publishing this in the first place?

If this was in the NYT about a high school run by a conservative city would you not be very skeptical?

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 1:47:41 PM   
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If this was in the NYT about a high school run by a conservative city would you not be very skeptical?


A highschool? These days? Hell no.


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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 1:52:50 PM   
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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 1:57:18 PM   
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The fact that some of these grown,*men* are laughing about a bunch of kids use of spelling, and grammar is hysterical when you consider their own issues with the written word



Love your comma usage. Most enjoyable. Hysterical even. I'll not point out the other.



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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 2:03:08 PM   
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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 2:04:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem, Kirata, is that while this is funny on the surface, too many kids who show up for school on a regular enough basis not to need such a program are getting their diplomas and certificates with skills that are just as bad as this.

While poorly executed, these posters were able to express a thought with the written word, and we can assume, read what they were responding to.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 2:26:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a vict ... err ... product of the New York City public school system, I can tell you that when I was in school there were some students that just weren't going to pass.

There were a select few where it was nothing more than a bad luck of the draw. There were others that hang right around the neck of the administrators and empty suits that caused it.

One example: the September that I started kindergarten (1969), there was a new program implemented that was going to help children read better/easier. It was called (I)nitial (T)eaching (A)lphabet.

It was a system whereby they "married" vowels in words to show their relationship. "Bike" was now; "biek" with the horizontal line of the lower-case "e" extending to the left and meeting up (perpendicular) to the "i".

I knew (probably) a dozen classmates that probably would have been decent, passing (gentleman's "C"s, anyway), students had this system not been inflicted on them. When you add the fact that they were speaking languages other than English, at home, it was an educational death sentence for them.

Moving on from that ...

Even when I was in school, the NYC school system was a joke that was prone to knee-jerk reactions to situations. A "problem" would arise and the school system would (over) react. The usual politically machine was put into motion and by the time anything got implemented, the initial "problem" had already worked itself out.

Here, we have: "Problem: not enough students are graduating" and the system's solution is to dumb-down the curriculum; instead of giving the children that are having a hard time the extra help that they need.

I have no experience as a public school teacher but, my uncle (the man who raised me; essentially my "father") was a professor and my second cousin (with whom I was very close, almost like an older brother) was a graduate of and substitute teacher in the NYC system back in the 90s so my perspective isn't quite as old as my own experience.

From what I read, every big school system has its issues and I think, when we're talking about city schools, the issues are more socio-economic than educational.

I also believe that part of the problem is what we were discussing on another thread; the refusal of parents to teach their children to assimilate in their new land.





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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 2:27:34 PM   
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Or the Post simply made the whole thing up to attack a school they don't like.


Every version of it online says that the Post exposed this earlier this month.

Really? Earlier when? When did they expose it? Because from what I can tell, "earlier this month" to the post means yesterday at best.

Rather an odd thing to say, yes indeed. And no citations. No references.

I'm on the skeptical bandwagon too, that's for sure.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 2:36:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		How about if we make a real school attainable and affordable for all no matter their economic standing. Then we could demand standards for those attending.

The only way America is going to compete on the world stage in the future is to have a well educated work force. But it will take a sacrifice from tax payers now. This dumb ass no tax crap is turning America into a McDonald's...Walmart service backwater society. Soon we will not even be able to afford protecting ourselves let alone be a player on the world scene.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 2:42:13 PM   
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How about if we make a real school attainable and affordable for all no matter their economic standing. Then we could demand standards for those attending.

The only way America is going to compete on the world stage in the future is to have a well educated work force. But it will take a sacrifice from tax payers now. This dumb ass no tax crap is turning America into a McDonald's...Walmart service backwater society. Soon we will not even be able to afford protecting ourselves let alone be a player on the world scene.

Butch

DC spends more money than anyone else and few doing a worse job.
We don't want no taxes but we don't want to send good money after bad.
When they spend the money we give them better we will give them more.

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