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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 4:00:57 PM   
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Here in St Louis we have two inner city failing school districts. The Missouri legislature has forced neighboring districts to take these failing children if they want to attend a system that is not failing... guess what... they are excelling in their new schools... Same culture at home but the schools are better with a higher tax base.



Could it be ... maybe ... just possibly that the children that opt to go to better schools (I assume their parents have to "petition" for them in some way?) have been convinced that education is important?

What is the percentage of the "bad school's" children that choose to go to the better schools? Why aren't ALL of the children wanting to go to better schools?

Could it be that the ones that don't go to the better schools don't want to go because they just don't give a flying fiddler's fuck about education?



ETA: Here's my view in a sound byte: Give more money to the schools that are performing well (and by this, I mean I want to see at least 80% grad rate) and have the other schools implement the same education plan or shut them down.





Or base it on ACT/SAT scores.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 4:03:09 PM   
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I think it is understandable why many do not transfer... But just so you know many more wanted to transfer out but could not find a school close enough to take them in. The receiving schools set limits on how many they could take... and Normandy had to set limits on which school they would provide transportation to... So could you afford to get up and drive your child 50 or more miles round trip to school each day then be there to pick them up when you are working a minimum wage job?

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 4:04:37 PM   
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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 4:09:19 PM   
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Or base it on ACT/SAT scores.



I barely cracked 1400 on my SATs. It wasn't my teachers' fault. It was all me.

I was never very good at any mathematical things and it showed in my attitude towards those classes and my test scores.

Also, I think the idea that every person (once they graduate, they're usually 18 and therefore, not children, anymore) should go to college is outdated. I'm not sure where that idea came from but I don't think it's true.

Like it or not, there are people whose "destiny" is probably manual/menial labor. That gets into another topic about living wages and such but my point is: We can't always hold teachers/schools accountable for a student's failure to go on to higher education.

A high school teacher's job is to make sure that their student's have the knowledge to pass a minimum basic skills test (whatever those minimums are that are established) that shows that the student has acquired the ability to "compete" with other high school graduates.





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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 4:15:26 PM   
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Would you like to get your child or children up at 4 in the morning so they can get on a bus for the two hour trip to school... then a two hour trip home? Would you like them standing on a corner in a bad neighborhood before light and after dark waiting for school buses? Would you like to pull your child out of their school with all their life long friends and send them 25 miles away where they know no one?

I think it is understandable why many do not transfer... But just so you know many more wanted to transfer out but could not find a school close enough to take them in. The receiving schools set limits on how many they could take... and Normandy had to set limits on which school they would provide transportation to... So could you afford to get up and drive your child 50 or more miles round trip to school each day then be there to pick them up when you are working a minimum wage job?

Think



Unlike many of today's lazy parents, I would (and did) do everything in my power to make sure that my children had the resources to get them the best education possible.

I made sacrifices. I didn't ask the government to wipe my ass for me.

My eldest boy went to public schools. he did very well and was accepted to some really good colleges. He chose to serve his country, instead.

My youngest (nine years between them) was able to go to a private school for almost his last three years (he dropped out, three months shy of graduation).

My youngest lucked out because I was doing a little better financially by the time it was "his time". His brother never begrudged him that and did everything he could to help with my youngest's education (pep talks, camaraderie, etc.).

So, to directly answer your question: I would take the time, drive the miles, whatever because I want my children to have better than I had.





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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 4:22:14 PM   
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Would you like to get your child or children up at 4 in the morning so they can get on a bus for the two hour trip to school... then a two hour trip home? Would you like them standing on a corner in a bad neighborhood before light and after dark waiting for school buses? Would you like to pull your child out of their school with all their life long friends and send them 25 miles away where they know no one?

I think it is understandable why many do not transfer... But just so you know many more wanted to transfer out but could not find a school close enough to take them in. The receiving schools set limits on how many they could take... and Normandy had to set limits on which school they would provide transportation to... So could you afford to get up and drive your child 50 or more miles round trip to school each day then be there to pick them up when you are working a minimum wage job?

Think


Well, for starters, I would have put off having children while working a minimum wage job. (If the cost of raising children isn't taught in schools, especially those with high pregnancy rates, it should be.) If that didn't work, I'd move to a location with good schools and take a job there, because minimum wage jobs are very fungible.

My parents reviewed the school systems before they settled in Western Massachusetts, as did my sister and BIL before they settled in N. Massachusetts.

My cousin in rural West Virginia would have had a two hour bus ride, but was home schooled by my uncle until he was about a sophomore, got killer SAT scores, and now goes away to a top notch private school on a hefty scholarship - 700 miles away from all his life long friends. He's making new ones.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 4:28:14 PM   
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If it wasnt for spell checker in my browser, I would be screwed.

However, a spell checker will not tell the idiots who wrote those letters that they are using the wrong fucking words, or their grammar sucks, and they are doing a wonderful job at proving the point that the education system that they were taught under was SNARFU.

It also proves that the individuals running the program are not too bright.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 4:36:12 PM   
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I left the last one a year early and passed no exams at that time but I sincerely believe that my english, my spelling and my grammar would stack up against those excerpts and make me look like an 'A' student.
Most of my errors here are typoes because I was never taught to type. Chefs don't have a lot of use for typewriters or computers in the kitchen !!! I still think that my text is legible and understandable...............or at least I HOPE so.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 7:21:48 PM   
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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 7:22:23 PM   
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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 7:43:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		PFH.................did you ever take latin or religious instruction at school ??? THEY are the most boring things I ever did apart from watching paint dry. Thank the gods I got thrown out of both classes and was made to sit and read as a punishment. Hence, I am very well read but my latin consists of my family's motto "Spectemur Agendo" and my religious knowledge consists of knowing not to argue with the fools because their minds are made up and they don't need to be confused with facts.
Oh yes PFH, I am an ex-pom and went to school in Middlesex, which is no reflection on my sexuality I hope *smile*.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 7:50:59 PM   
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I recall a loud-mouth Lucy, who couldn`t spell Benghazi correctly......till you corrected the cry-baby`s spelling....


And you're completely entitled as are the other males on the forum if you can pronounce this name without Google "Aung San Suu Kyi".

To the other posts about the American school system, there are far more successful and less expensive models. Why? Because your school funding is TOP HEAVY. Most of the money goes to administrators who do absolutely nothing but improve their golf swing, there is an issue also with accountability. I have seen good teachers let go, and terrible ones kept (and it has nothing to do with unions, it has to do with these well paid administrators being asleep at the wheel.
ALSO, American children are technology learners, is anyone even remotely aware of this? There are a few links I can show you to demonstrate the current learning model in schools.
I never had to have my parents hold my hand in school because thankfully I was rather bright (top of class 7 years consecutively and yea, I'm bragging about it). However my brother was an ARTISTIC GENIUS though not as good with memorization and regurgitation as myself. So I tutored him and his grades went up from a D to an A.
There needs to be a major allocation of school funding, oh, but I forgot, they fired 300 teachers in one county out here and classes are overcrowded because they refused federal funding but way to stick it to Obama and not the actual, you know, CHILDREN.
Also, most people of the world speak THREE languages. Spanish and or Chinese (Cantonese) should be taught in schools so our kids can compete, can go overseas and strike business deals successfully.
Oh! But I forgot again, WE ONLY SPEAK ENGLISH DAMMIT AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS!Yet again, the children aren't the ones paying, way to stick it to the mexicans guys!
Look in order for there to be any major improvements in the current model it needs to be reexamined. Cutting music and extracurricular programs is NOT THE WAY to do that.
I could go on but I'll let the kids speak for themselves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-ZVCjfWf8
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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 7:59:14 PM   
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I recall a loud-mouth Lucy, who couldn`t spell Benghazi correctly......till you corrected the cry-baby`s spelling....


And you're completely entitled as are the other males on the forum if you can pronounce this name without Google "Aung San Suu Kyi".

To the other posts about the American school system, there are far more successful and less expensive models. Why? Because your school funding is TOP HEAVY. Most of the money goes to administrators who do absolutely nothing but improve their golf swing, there is an issue also with accountability. I have seen good teachers let go, and terrible ones kept (and it has nothing to do with unions, it has to do with these well paid administrators being asleep at the wheel.
ALSO, American children are technology learners, is anyone even remotely aware of this? There are a few links I can show you to demonstrate the current learning model in schools.
I never had to have my parents hold my hand in school because thankfully I was rather bright (top of class 7 years consecutively and yea, I'm bragging about it). However my brother was an ARTISTIC GENIUS though not as good with memorization and regurgitation as myself. So I tutored him and his grades went up from a D to an A.
There needs to be a major allocation of school funding, oh, but I forgot, they fired 300 teachers in one county out here and classes are overcrowded because they refused federal funding but way to stick it to Obama and not the actual, you know, CHILDREN.
Also, most people of the world speak THREE languages. Spanish and or Chinese (Cantonese) should be taught in schools so our kids can compete, can go overseas and strike business deals successfully.
Oh! But I forgot again, WE ONLY SPEAK ENGLISH DAMMIT AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS!Yet again, the children aren't the ones paying, way to stick it to the mexicans guys!
Look in order for there to be any major improvements in the current model it needs to be reexamined. Cutting music and extracurricular programs is NOT THE WAY to do that.
I could go on but I'll let the kids speak for themselves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-ZVCjfWf8
:)

And every government program adds to the top.
Get rid of a couple layers of administration and you can hire enough teachers to do the job.
Then you reinstates discipline in the schools see to it the teachers are in charge and back them up.
Next you get rid of social promotion.
Do those three things and then we will see if they need more money.
Taxes to pay teachers is one thing, to pay administrators who get in the way of teachers is something else.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 8:11:25 PM   
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How about if we make a real school attainable and affordable for all no matter their economic standing. Then we could demand standards for those attending.

The only way America is going to compete on the world stage in the future is to have a well educated work force. But it will take a sacrifice from tax payers now. This dumb ass no tax crap is turning America into a McDonald's...Walmart service backwater society. Soon we will not even be able to afford protecting ourselves let alone be a player on the world scene.

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Walmart and McDonalds is all there is going to be. Why do you need a 4 year degree for that? Manufacturing jobs that require skills are gone. Technical jobs that need degrees are pretty damn full. Taco bell is what's left.

More money into the school system won't fix it. Like most of government the money flows to people and places that don't help educate your kid. The number one thing that will help change our schools is parents that give a fuck. That are willing to invest the time in their child and other parent's children to supplement and in some cases undo the school's work.

My mom and grandma would have slapped me upside the head if I turned in work with misspelled and incorrectly used words.


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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 8:13:42 PM   
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How about if we make a real school attainable and affordable for all no matter their economic standing. Then we could demand standards for those attending.

The only way America is going to compete on the world stage in the future is to have a well educated work force. But it will take a sacrifice from tax payers now. This dumb ass no tax crap is turning America into a McDonald's...Walmart service backwater society. Soon we will not even be able to afford protecting ourselves let alone be a player on the world scene.

Butch


Walmart and McDonalds is all there is going to be. Why do you need a 4 year degree for that? Manufacturing jobs that require skills are gone. Technical jobs that need degrees are pretty damn full. Taco bell is what's left.

More money into the school system won't fix it. Like most of government the money flows to people and places that don't help educate your kid. The number one thing that will help change our schools is parents that give a fuck. That are willing to invest the time in their child and other parent's children to supplement and in some cases undo the school's work.

My mom and grandma would have slapped me upside the head if I turned in work with misspelled and incorrectly used words.


Yes parents who care is the component I left out, thank you.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 8:22:18 PM   
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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 8:48:34 PM   
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So it is more important that they pass than that they learn anything.

My bet would be that it has more to do with assuring that the graduates are "diverse".

Brooklyn school cutting gifted program to boost diversity

Citing a lack of diversity, PS 139 Principal Mary McDonald informed parents in a letter that the Students of Academic Rigor and two other in-house programs would no longer accept applications for incoming kindergartners. “Our Kindergarten classes will be heterogeneously grouped to reflect the diversity of our student body and the community we live in,” McDonald told parents... More than two thirds of the school’s roughly 1,000 students are black or hispanic... One mother, a Sudanese immigrant, said the program was brimming with white students

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 9:02:17 PM   
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So it is more important that they pass than that they learn anything.

My bet would be that it has more to do with assuring that the graduates are "diverse".

Brooklyn school cutting gifted program to boost diversity

Citing a lack of diversity, PS 139 Principal Mary McDonald informed parents in a letter that the Students of Academic Rigor and two other in-house programs would no longer accept applications for incoming kindergartners... One mother, a Sudanese immigrant, said the program was brimming with white students

I wonder if there is much if any benefit to IQ testing, a prerequisite to identifying gifted students, pre kindergartners? Or if it was one of those gifted programs where the parents demanded their kids get in and the principals let them in because it was easier than fighting with the parents. I really doubt a single public school could really support 3 separate programs for gifted kids, gifted being usually defined as IQ at or above 130.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/23/2014 9:07:48 PM   
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I do wish they had slapped me a bit more…although I do believe in my signature line.

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*Slaps you upside the head* There. Don't say I never did anything for you.

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RE: Helping the Poor and Underserved - 2/24/2014 3:28:30 AM   
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PFH.................did you ever take latin or religious instruction at school ??? THEY are the most boring things I ever did apart from watching paint dry. Thank the gods I got thrown out of both classes and was made to sit and read as a punishment. Hence, I am very well read but my latin consists of my family's motto "Spectemur Agendo" and my religious knowledge consists of knowing not to argue with the fools because their minds are made up and they don't need to be confused with facts.
Oh yes PFH, I am an ex-pom and went to school in Middlesex, which is no reflection on my sexuality I hope *smile*.


I did RI - we all had to (and yes, it was indeed a total yawner) but no Latin. thank god.

On the other hand my first three schools were also in Middlesex. Spooky!

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