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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/25/2014 10:47:12 PM

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There are multiple versions of this video out there, Jlf. This one did not include the man who successfully controlled the recoil, put the rifle back in the stand, and cleared the fired shell from the chamber. Those versions show another man rushing into the room, clapping the shooter on the shoulder, and declaring him, "my friend."

I think we are looking at the private amusement of some filthy rich oil sheik. Those aren't masochists in the video, but the guy who invites them to try a shot from his rifle certainly has the kind of sadistic streak I admire.

I wouldn't try to shoot that monster without one hell of a good contract depending on how he thought I did with it. I'll bet the successful shooter got his deal through.

This is the weapon a big game guide might carry in case of a rhino charge, and hope like hell he never needed to fire.

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/25/2014 10:58:16 PM

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Here is an edit that includes the guy who could control it. It's at 2:20 on the video, but doesn't have as much of the man I presume to be the owner of the gun as in the cut I first saw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBvREYEQ8Y

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/25/2014 11:23:43 PM

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In our outfit there was an old WW2 Czech anti-tank rifle in the armoury. I have no idea what make it was but there was only one bloke who could fire it and even then it knocked him about a bit and when he got undressed to shower, he was easily mistakable for a grizzly, apart from the bloody great black bruise he often had on his shoulder. I'm sure the guy was a masochist though because he reckoned he enjoyed firing it. He reckoned it had a dead-flat trajectory up to a mile. I wasn't going to argue with him and I sure as hell wasn't going to try it.

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 1:21:44 AM

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What *could* be done with a gun like that? Supposing you were to lean forward a bit - would that help, or would the recoil actually do more damage that way?

That's exactly what you need to do. Make sure you're pulling it *tightly* into your shoulder and lean forward into it to best control the recoil.

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 1:33:45 AM

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Calibers don't kill bears, careful hunting and shot placement does. Note that no native hunter, 'indian' or 'eskimo' uses macho calibers? 30-30 and such, what they can get? It's a clean fatal shot to a non-alarmed animal that works. Enraged bears are the worst of targets. The 'locals' using bow and arrow or spear wore bear pelts long before guns came to N. America?
One documented story in a respected gun mag from the past: The hunter put a full clip in the heart of a charging Brown bear (Grizzly) starting about 100 yds out. The bear never flinched, just kept coming. The guide started shooting a lot closer, 3 or so brain shots that hit. Both using modern expanding point high velocity loads. The bear fell at their feet, no discernible heart in the animal was found when dressed out, and almost no contents in the brain pan. These were both 'stopper' cartridges, 300Mag or heavier. Shoot bears Carefully!
The original Kentucky pioneers and later Mountain Men were killing black and brown bears with .30 to .60 caliber muskets throwing round ball, considerably lighter than similar diameter modern bullets and a Lot slower. More than a few survived after a 'fatal' shot that didn't drop the bear immediately by using their Bowie knife to win the wresting match. A Bowie of the era is almost a clone of the Roman Short sword, convergent evolution?

Post #5 covers the problems with the 'challenging' 'T-Rex' gun. It has no muzzle brake (Standard for real anti-vehicle and similar .50cal weapons, DON'T fire any without serious ear protection on!!!), and no barrel/action movement as is in the Barret large caliper guns to reduce recoil. If an original A-Square .577 T-Rex in the video, at least it has the mercury recoil reducers in the stock? People planning to shoot guns that deliver over 10,000 ft-lbs of energy tend to prefer swivel mounts? The video gun delivers Less energy then the several .50BMG sniper rifles widely used by modern armies.
Bracing one of these guns against landscape or convenient structures usually busts the stock. Having your shoulder between the stock and structure or landscape busts YOU.

The most effective real emergency bear gun is most likely a large magazine slug load 12g. semi-auto shotgun with a recoil muzzle brake for faster second shots. Your ears won't survive, but your ass might. If you Have a bear emergency, it's because you are too cheap or too dumb or too new to have good dogs. Or just unlucky to not be where your dogs are.
But it is said to be more interesting hunting Polar bears, knowing they hunt you? With Global Warming, reports are they are moving ashore in numbers and learning to exploit new locations and protein sources as no ice periods means they can't catch seals or walrus!

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 1:49:02 AM

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The firing of a .577 T rex round

I admit I am a gun nut. I am trying to figure out how to make my savings grow faster so I can get a Barret bolt action 50 cal rifle sooner.

I have fired the world's most powerful handgun, an elephant gun, however, that being said...

I have no desire to fire a rifle that has a recoil that will put my shoulder 50 yards behind where I am standing. Now this weapon was designed to stop charging big game, Elephants, Rhino, Water Buffalo, chevy trucks, dinosaurs, and lets not forget the very aggressive concrete wall.

In one review, a gun magazine stated that unless you hit the animal in the exact right spot, you are just going to piss it off and not be able to fire another shot due to extreme pain.

Now I have admitted that I think an elephant saddle gun is practical on the offhand chance you are on the back of an elephant when a tiger jumps out of the brush, this rifle I am questioning.

So first answer why you would want one, and then give a good reason why it is necessary.

My friend, if you are going to spend that much money on a gun, go all out and buy this puppy. Really enjoy yourself

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 6:16:42 AM

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It's a one-off caliber, controllable with proper rifle design and more importantly, by the user knowing how to properly operate it. There are thousands of different cartridges out there, and more being developed all the time, from teeny tiny .14" up to .950 and likely beyond. Some are practical some are whimsical, and that pretty much covers the "why" question. That was developed as a stopping rifle, thus the heavy round. My thought, though I confess I have not been in the situation of needing one, is that shot placement in that circumstance is critical, and failing that, quick followup is next. This is one reason for the development of those beautiful British double rifles. I'd rather have a bit less power for more control, personally.

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 6:45:30 AM

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it's simply (at the risk of sounding like a Prius-driving left-wing liberal) a 'penis enlargement' device.

LOL! Gun threads tend to make me wonder how often the weapons serve as PEDs.

But then, I am a left-wing liberal, and if I owned a car, it would probably be a Prius.

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 8:02:20 AM

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 1:13:01 PM

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The firing of a .577 T rex round

I admit I am a gun nut. I am trying to figure out how to make my savings grow faster so I can get a Barret bolt action 50 cal rifle sooner.

Why fuck around with puny shit?

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 2:05:40 PM

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The firing of a .577 T rex round

I admit I am a gun nut. I am trying to figure out how to make my savings grow faster so I can get a Barret bolt action 50 cal rifle sooner.

Why fuck around with puny shit?

Obrum MBT concept video
The real thing

K.

K, you know as well as I do the US government, GOP or Dem run, will not trust me with a tank. I have a problem with road rage, remember?

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 2:45:59 PM

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Why want one? Take out the 4x4 vehicle the poachers are using on your ranch. <grin>
I, personally, don't have a use for one but if I was hunting vehicles it would be useful and what it was designed for.

What I wish I could find at a decent price is one of the old German drilling guns they put in their planes during the North Africa campaign. Triple barrel weapon with two barrels of 12 gauge and a center barrel of 454 Weatherby Magnum. Load one shotgun barrel for rabbit, one barrel for antelope, and the rifle barrel for caped buffalo or lion.

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 3:18:50 PM

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As a matter of interest - and I'm somewhat unlikely to be in the same situation myself - but if faced with an angry, charging bear - which would be best, a gun or a crossbow? Assuming that the gun's bullet and the crossbow's bolt were to hit exactly the right target, that is . . . .

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 4:20:25 PM

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A gun would do more to deter the bear, simply because it can focus so much more energy in a smaller area that a crossbow bolt, which operates on blades cutting and blood loss. While the bullet may not 'drop' the animal instantly, the shock of disruption may buy you more time to retreat to a safe distance, reload, and fire again much faster than a crossbow can be loaded, unless it's a flintlock muzzle-loader.

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 4:26:02 PM

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Why want one? Take out the 4x4 vehicle the poachers are using on your ranch. <grin>
I, personally, don't have a use for one but if I was hunting vehicles it would be useful and what it was designed for.

What I wish I could find at a decent price is one of the old German drilling guns they put in their planes during the North Africa campaign. Triple barrel weapon with two barrels of 12 gauge and a center barrel of 454 Weatherby Magnum. Load one shotgun barrel for rabbit, one barrel for antelope, and the rifle barrel for caped buffalo or lion.

A proper drilling has one shotgun barrel, one centerfire rifle barrel, and a rimfire barrel. I've only handled (not shot) one example, which was a 20 gauge with a 7X57 and .22LR barrels at the eleven and one o'clock positions around the shotgun barrel. Gorgeous weapon, made by Sauer, I believe, pre-WWII. One of my uncle's friends took it home as war booty, and used it for decades. The furniture and fittings were exquisite, with engraved scenes of hunting camps and game drives on the lower receiver, and each barrel had a matching scroll work with the types of game the caliber was intended for as part of the motif.

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 8:39:54 PM

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A gun would do more to deter the bear, simply because it can focus so much more energy in a smaller area that a crossbow bolt, which operates on blades cutting and blood loss. While the bullet may not 'drop' the animal instantly, the shock of disruption may buy you more time to retreat to a safe distance, reload, and fire again much faster than a crossbow can be loaded, unless it's a flintlock muzzle-loader.

The roar of the gun might not help but it can't hurt.

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 8:41:13 PM

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Why want one? Take out the 4x4 vehicle the poachers are using on your ranch. <grin>
I, personally, don't have a use for one but if I was hunting vehicles it would be useful and what it was designed for.

What I wish I could find at a decent price is one of the old German drilling guns they put in their planes during the North Africa campaign. Triple barrel weapon with two barrels of 12 gauge and a center barrel of 454 Weatherby Magnum. Load one shotgun barrel for rabbit, one barrel for antelope, and the rifle barrel for caped buffalo or lion.

A proper drilling has one shotgun barrel, one centerfire rifle barrel, and a rimfire barrel. I've only handled (not shot) one example, which was a 20 gauge with a 7X57 and .22LR barrels at the eleven and one o'clock positions around the shotgun barrel. Gorgeous weapon, made by Sauer, I believe, pre-WWII. One of my uncle's friends took it home as war booty, and used it for decades. The furniture and fittings were exquisite, with engraved scenes of hunting camps and game drives on the lower receiver, and each barrel had a matching scroll work with the types of game the caliber was intended for as part of the motif.

Sounds like a beautiful gun.

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/26/2014 9:24:36 PM

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But now, let's take a look at some seriously deadly targets. These critters contribute to millions of deaths a years. You NEED a .50 cal!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJD_3eKcIRQ

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/27/2014 12:20:05 PM

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As a matter of interest - and I'm somewhat unlikely to be in the same situation myself - but if faced with an angry, charging bear - which would be best, a gun or a crossbow? Assuming that the gun's bullet and the crossbow's bolt were to hit exactly the right target, that is . . . .

Depends,are you using exploding bolts or a ballista,and is the gun firing something as small as a 2.34 mm rimfire or something as large a 12.5x108 mm anti tank round?

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RE: None political gun thread with the question, why wo... - 2/27/2014 12:29:47 PM

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The comment about the bear reminds me... bear spray.

Have you ever seen tear gas in a projecting aerosol can just like the hornet spray? A 20 ft range would be useful. Might work well on angry mobs I would think.

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