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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/7/2014 5:14:36 AM   
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I won't argue your faith, but your assertions in this paragraph about scientific knowledge are false.

Sure you are, so why can't you at least be honest about it.

No. Faith is, by definition, belief in something without evidence. I am not trying to change her religious faith in any way. The issue I have is when someone says "X is evidence/science," when in fact X is not. Frankly, I think such claims are usually made by people who have issues with their own faith already: believing without evidence isn't good enough for them anymore, and they are searching for something in the material world to help them keep their religious convictions strong.

If you want to have faith, have faith. None of my business. Once you enter into the world of the provable, then I might have something to say.

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/7/2014 6:20:42 AM   
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ANd to me that is totally okay, not that you need my okay. lol. I have been here for awhile, and see that you and Kana have a beautiful relationship together that works for you. I am an evolving Christian, always listening, and noting what works for others. In my belief system, Jesus was the son of GOd and with faith I don't look for evidence. This has been a belief system in my family for many generations. I have walked away a few times in my life from religion because the people disappointed me NOT GOD. I have a very hard time believing, that if someone believes different then me, sincerely with all their heart, that that person will go to hell because they don't believe how I do. BUt for me I sincerely believe in Jesus, the trinity, being saved and being baptized. It just makes perfect sense for me, and it makes me a lot better person and gives me comfort. I believe if I don't follow the law I WILL GO TO HEll.
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I will agree with this 100%. There is an evolution between OT and NT. When I read the OT, man of the passages, I cringe, but here is a lesson in them. Some I admit, I don't understand at all, and I will skip thru them and go back to them later. The NT has more care and love and teachings of tolerance and acceptance. I know these teachings are from a different time, a different culture, but there is a lot of practical daily teachings that work no matter how old the are. For anyone interested, Proverbs is the book of knowledge, Psalms is for comfort. I AM NOT PUSHING NOR TRYING TO CONVERT ANYONE. THese are just easier passages I myself can understand more easily.
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I personally think the major problem with different sides of the Christianity argument is that the OT and NT do not always correlate to one another and therefore you have people who take more after the OT than the NT and vice versa.

Personally I don't feel the OT and NT should be lumped together. I see them as completely separate from one another. And I think the lumping together of them both is what causes all the issues within Christianity.








And I'm just the opposite. I'm more of a believer in the OT than the NT. I only call myself a Christian because it's easier for people to grasp than to explain my religious beliefs that are closer to Judaism than Christianity but yet I am not a Jew.

For me the NT just doesn't sum up God to me. It sums up Christ and while I believe Jesus was a great prophet just like Buddha, Gandhi or Mohammed, I don't believe he was the Christ. So for me, because of that, the OT and NT are not related.



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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/7/2014 6:54:16 AM   
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To RedMagic1: Good morning, according to a leading "academic claims a recently deciphered 4,000-year-old tablet from ancient Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq) reveals the striking new details about the roots of the Old Testament tale of Noah. Tells a similar story, complete with detailed instructions for building a giant round vessel known as a coracle — as well as the key instruction that animals should enter 'two by two.'The tablet went on display at the British Museum today, and soon engineers will follow the ancient instructions to see whether the vessel could actually have sailed."

"Four thousand-year-old cuneiform instructions on how to build a round "Noah's ark" have turned out to be mathematically on-target, the British Museum curator who translated the text told the International Science Times Monday. A mathematician who analyzed the instructions on how to build a round ark determined that they were 99 percent accurate, said Dr. Irving Finkel, a curator of ancient Mesopotamian artifacts who has spent decades deciphering the tablet into which the plans were pressed. The plans were written as instructions from the Mesopotamian god Enki, " (http://www.isciencetimes.com/articles/6746/20140128/noahs-ark-round-mesopotamia-flood-cuneiform-instructions-mathematically-accurate.htm)

It tells of an account of something similar in the OT. Noah's ark therefore should not be in itself irrelevant. Other may and have the right to do so. The findings have said it predates the biblical accounts that says to me that the bible is telling a story that has already occurred or may have occurred. Even Finkel was considerate to say, "The tablet "turned out to be one in a million," said Finkel. Dating from 1750 B.C., it tells the Babylonian "Story of the Flood." The Babylonian story, and its similarities to the story recounted in the Book of Genesis, were already known, but this tablet "has startling new contents," Finkel said.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2545494/Was-Noahs-Ark-ROUND-3-700-year-old-clay-tablet-reveals-boat-coracle-reeds-bitumen.html#ixzz2vHtbhvm5
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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/7/2014 6:56:13 AM   
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To chatterbox: Love the genuineness in your post.

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/7/2014 7:17:01 AM   
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Yes, that supports what I said, not what you said. That version of the article also left out quotes by Finkel explicitly saying he doubts the boat was ever built, perhaps because that might offend the readership of the Daily Mail. It does, however, state that Finkel doubts any ark built by Noah ever existed. He believes some big flood happened in that area, and the story of the flood got passed down through generations. That isn't the same as believing an ark was built in a particular time and place, which he doubts ever occurred.

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/7/2014 7:20:33 AM   
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Perhaps you had other intents with your comments, but my comments are still related to the original posters questions and comments. I don't feel I was derailing the thread at all, but still speaking to a very specific aspect of the OP's comments.


I'm not trying to attack you personally, my response was meant to be general. Threads do drift, the drift on this one does seem to be a wide spread effort. I was just feeling bad for having given it a nudge early on.

No worries. You had just quoted me specifically in your prior response, and I just wanted to clarify my thinking in posting what I did.

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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/7/2014 7:22:12 AM   
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Fascinating.
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To RedMagic1: Good morning, according to a leading "academic claims a recently deciphered 4,000-year-old tablet from ancient Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq) reveals the striking new details about the roots of the Old Testament tale of Noah. Tells a similar story, complete with detailed instructions for building a giant round vessel known as a coracle — as well as the key instruction that animals should enter 'two by two.'The tablet went on display at the British Museum today, and soon engineers will follow the ancient instructions to see whether the vessel could actually have sailed."

"Four thousand-year-old cuneiform instructions on how to build a round "Noah's ark" have turned out to be mathematically on-target, the British Museum curator who translated the text told the International Science Times Monday. A mathematician who analyzed the instructions on how to build a round ark determined that they were 99 percent accurate, said Dr. Irving Finkel, a curator of ancient Mesopotamian artifacts who has spent decades deciphering the tablet into which the plans were pressed. The plans were written as instructions from the Mesopotamian god Enki, " (http://www.isciencetimes.com/articles/6746/20140128/noahs-ark-round-mesopotamia-flood-cuneiform-instructions-mathematically-accurate.htm)

It tells of an account of something similar in the OT. Noah's ark therefore should not be in itself irrelevant. Other may and have the right to do so. The findings have said it predates the biblical accounts that says to me that the bible is telling a story that has already occurred or may have occurred. Even Finkel was considerate to say, "The tablet "turned out to be one in a million," said Finkel. Dating from 1750 B.C., it tells the Babylonian "Story of the Flood." The Babylonian story, and its similarities to the story recounted in the Book of Genesis, were already known, but this tablet "has startling new contents," Finkel said.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2545494/Was-Noahs-Ark-ROUND-3-700-year-old-clay-tablet-reveals-boat-coracle-reeds-bitumen.html#ixzz2vHtbhvm5
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RE: Christianity and BDSM - 3/7/2014 8:39:55 PM   
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To RedMagic1: Good morning, according to a leading "academic claims a recently deciphered 4,000-year-old tablet from ancient Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq) reveals the striking new details about the roots of the Old Testament tale of Noah. Tells a similar story, complete with detailed instructions for building a giant round vessel known as a coracle — as well as the key instruction that animals should enter 'two by two.'The tablet went on display at the British Museum today, and soon engineers will follow the ancient instructions to see whether the vessel could actually have sailed."

"Four thousand-year-old cuneiform instructions on how to build a round "Noah's ark" have turned out to be mathematically on-target, the British Museum curator who translated the text told the International Science Times Monday. A mathematician who analyzed the instructions on how to build a round ark determined that they were 99 percent accurate, said Dr. Irving Finkel, a curator of ancient Mesopotamian artifacts who has spent decades deciphering the tablet into which the plans were pressed. The plans were written as instructions from the Mesopotamian god Enki, " (http://www.isciencetimes.com/articles/6746/20140128/noahs-ark-round-mesopotamia-flood-cuneiform-instructions-mathematically-accurate.htm)

It tells of an account of something similar in the OT. Noah's ark therefore should not be in itself irrelevant. Other may and have the right to do so. The findings have said it predates the biblical accounts that says to me that the bible is telling a story that has already occurred or may have occurred. Even Finkel was considerate to say, "The tablet "turned out to be one in a million," said Finkel. Dating from 1750 B.C., it tells the Babylonian "Story of the Flood." The Babylonian story, and its similarities to the story recounted in the Book of Genesis, were already known, but this tablet "has startling new contents," Finkel said.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2545494/Was-Noahs-Ark-ROUND-3-700-year-old-clay-tablet-reveals-boat-coracle-reeds-bitumen.html#ixzz2vHtbhvm5
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If you think about it, the region is question as I noted in another post was prone to floods, big ones, that probably caused many deaths and destruction, so it shouldn't come as a shock that people there would not only create myths, but maybe attempt to create a hedge against 'the big one', much as people today will have disaster plans, bugout bags, generators, etc. That doesn't mean Noah's ark is true, because the problem with Noah's ark is it claims everyone but Noah and his family were wiped out, and that is complete and utter BS, Noah's story says the entire earth was flooded and everyone but a few perished, and whether it happened in 1750BC or 1 million years BC according to the tale, it is myth, because no such flood happened. There would be geological evidence if the earth flooded like that, and none exists, and if every human being was wiped out other than a handful, DNA analysis 4000 years later, which is a tiny amount of time in scale, would show we all are closely related, and we aren't. Could Noah's ark have grains of truth in it..sure. Does that mean the story of Noah is true? Not by a million miles.

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