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subfever -> RE: Ventura Slaps the 1% Hard (3/5/2014 7:52:34 PM)
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl
Jesse Ventura was giving the commencement speech for a BUDS class. (He was UDT) He went to McP's where there was an Irish wake going on for a Seal that died when he threw himself on a grenade to protect his team.
According to Seal lore, Jesse Ventura was against the war in Iraq and is said to have made a comment to the effect of "You deserve to lose a few". Chris Kyle struck him and left before the police could be called.
Jesse Ventura says it never happened. (which isn't a surprising stance because admitting he was knocked down in bar would ruin his reputation) The owner and staff at McP's has maintained the "we didn't see anything" stance (which isn't surprising because going either way would destroy the business) The majority of Seals that I've talked to maintain that Chris Kyle's version is closer to the truth.
There's an awful lot of smoke, for there not to be a fire and in the end, I choose to believe the Seals that live in that community and have better and more direct information.
I don't agree with a "Where there's smoke, there's fire" stance, and I've personally known people that have used it to get themselves excused from jury duty selection. However, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
In my opinion, Ventura is potentially a huge threat to the powers-that-be, so there may be powerful forces aligning against him. We'll have to see how this case plays out.
Here are the first two articles from a Google search, plus a cut and paste excerpt from Wiki... should anyone have interest:
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2013/aug/07/citylights2-did-chris-kyle-deck-jesse-ventura/
http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_24871717/witnesses-who-saw-seal-sniper-punch-jesse-ventura
On January 4, 2012, Chris Kyle, a former U.S. Navy SEAL who had served in Iraq who had 160 confirmed kills and was thus the deadliest marksman in American military history,[119] promoted his recently released book American Sniper on the Opie and Anthony Show, the same radio show where Ventura got into a verbal altercation with a host two years prior. When Kyle was on the air, a listener called in and asked about how Kyle allegedly punched Ventura in a bar fight. After receiving the call, show host Gregg 'Opie' Hughes asked Kyle about the rumor. Kyle claimed that he punched Ventura in the face at a bar popular with Navy SEAL personnel in Coronado, California, for loudly expressing criticism of the Iraq War back in 2006 during a wake for Michael A. Monsoor, a Medal of Honor recipient and Navy SEAL who had been killed in action in Iraq the same year. According to Kyle, Ventura, who was present in San Diego to give a speech to a graduating BUD/S class, was "letting it known he did not agree" with the war in Iraq and was "bad-mouthing the war, bad-mouthing (former President) Bush, bad-mouthing America." Although Kyle, who wrote about the alleged incident in his book but did not mention Ventura by name, said he approached Ventura and asked him to tone down his voice because the families of SEAL personnel were present, Ventura allegedly said to Kyle that the SEALs "deserved to lose a few guys." Kyle said he responded by punching Ventura.[120][121] Kyle repeated his claims in a later interview with Bill O'Reilly on his show.
Following this interview, radio host Alex Jones interviewed Ventura on January 8 regarding what happened. During the interview, Ventura denied the rumors, saying he never met Kyle nor has he heard of him before. Ventura argued that had the confrontation occurred, Kyle would be admitting to assault and that the incident would have become known across the Navy SEAL community, as Ventura had been a member of the UDT/SEALs community. Ventura also stated that the bar, known as McP's, was owned by a former Navy SEAL who was his cadre instructor when in the military and that he would not misbehave at the bar. Because the rumors emerged as Ventura was traveling down to his second home in Mexico, Ventura felt that the story was released at that point so he would be unable to properly fight the allegations.[122]
After the Opie and Anthony hosts learned of Jones' interview with Ventura, they interviewed Kyle, who clarified his view of what happened and urged witnesses who were present at the bar to come forward to back his claims. Alex Jones, who is a friend of Ventura and was highly skeptical of Kyle's claims before his interview with Ventura, was also invited by the Opie and Anthony hosts to discuss the controversy. After Jones called in, an argument erupted over whether the incident happened, with the Opie and Anthony hosts siding with Kyle's version of events, and Jones siding with Ventura's. During the argument, Kyle denied claims by Jones that he was part of a bigger plot of discrediting Ventura and also suggested frustration over the attention on Kyle being focused on the alleged incident rather than on his book in general. Kyle also offered to meet with Ventura privately to end the dispute.[123] While Jones and the Opie and Anthony hosts were receptive to Kyle's proposal, no meeting between him and Ventura occurred.
Ventura, reiterating that the incident did not happen, posted a comment on his official Facebook page saying the following:
The event this man spoke of never happened. I have been to McP's many times since leaving the Navy. I was never there alone. I was always accompanied by other people. If this happened 6 years ago, someone would have known of it before now. Certainly in the UDT/SEAL community it would have been known. This has to be news to all of us. I have always opposed the war in Iraq but I have never spoken or wished any ill will towards the soldiers. My heart aches that soldiers have died or been wounded because this war should never have taken place. I am perplexed over the agenda this man has and why a fellow Navy Seal [sic] would tell a lie about an event that never happened. Clearly between this story and the previous week's story about supposedly getting pulled over for tailgaiting [sic] in CA that was also a lie, someone is out to destroy my credibility. I find it very interesting that both these stories are being spread by Fox news [sic] and it's [sic] affiliates. As a Navy veteran you realize you can’t believe every sea story you hear. Let me finish by stating both of the recent two national stories about me are completely untrue lies, neither event ever happened. Sincerely, Jesse Ventura.[124]
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