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...um, first off you should probably work on your grammar. Second there is and has been a republican majority during Obama's congress, not to mention it has been the least active congress in a long time and has obstructed Obama's efforts at almost every opportunity. Could you quote your historical sources please?

Could you share with us your credentials to teach US Civics to people who grew up on it? From what I've seen, you couldn't manage a chorus of Schoolhouse Rock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EfnNUt_nwY

Let us know when you have that one down, and we'll introduce you to Bill.

Drug legalization. Get on topic or run along.

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Yes, keep in mind that Obama tried to close Gitmo - and the Radicals blocked him. And he tried to end the war in Iraq - but the Radicals fought him tooth and nail. Best laid plans of mice and well-meaning Democrats, I suppose.

I realize that this may come as a shock, DNAV, but incompetence isn't an excuse, it's still a fucking FAIL. He made the promise, probably meant it, but didn't have the skills to get it done.

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Yes, keep in mind that Obama tried to close Gitmo - and the Radicals blocked him. And he tried to end the war in Iraq - but the Radicals fought him tooth and nail. Best laid plans of mice and well-meaning Democrats, I suppose.

I realize that this may come as a shock, DNAV, but incompetence isn't an excuse, it's still a fucking FAIL. He made the promise, probably meant it, but didn't have the skills to get it done.

Didn't have the skills? You mean catering to the right wing demands? You do remember what happened the last time the conservatives didn't get what they wanted right? They shut down your government. If you're saying incompetence isn't an excuse, then how about people who oppose the president as a good excuse? You got to realize that ya, Obama made a lot of promises, some of which he tried to follow through on but was stopped short by a republican dominated congress. I'm not saying Obama is a great president and that he isn't guilty for breaking promises, all politicians do that (not to mention I generally dislike him over many policies, drones being one of them). But you got to look at the big picture and look at the CAUSES for why Obama hasn't kept his promises. Does he not care? Did he lie? Or has he tried to do things but has been impeded by his political opponents? Chances are there are examples of all three, but you got to look at it by a case by case issue and not generalize.

Are you SURE about that?

Because history seems to record that there was a Democratic majority in both the Senate and the House.

...um, first off you should probably work on your grammar. Second there is and has been a republican majority during Obama's congress, not to mention it has been the least active congress in a long time and has obstructed Obama's efforts at almost every opportunity. Could you quote your historical sources please?

111th Congress (6 January 2009, to 3 January 2011)

Senate: 55 Democrats; 41 Republicans; 2 Independents - Illinois and Minnesota "vacant"
House: 256 Democrats; 175 Republicans

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I believe as has been shown in some states, the initiative to legalize pot has been grass roots and political affiliations seem to not make a big difference. You cannot find a more radically Republican state than Missouri and there are petitions galore for the legalization of pot... I believe in the not so distant future there will be a proposition for legalization.

Butch

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I'll be glad to


As a father of a drug addicted daughter that has destroyed her life... I would sentence every drug abuser to mandatory treatment... no jail.

Then I would try... and if convicted execute every dealer, producer, and supplier on up....no exceptions

If foreign nations refused or were unable to stop the growing of drugs imported into the US I would destroy the crops and production and refinement centers...no exceptions.

That would stop the drugs in America within a year. I don't care if they sell drugs anywhere else in the world.

I am not talking about the particular drug of this thread... but the drug war for all illegal drugs.

Butch

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I'll be glad to


As a father of a drug addicted daughter that has destroyed her life... I would sentence every drug abuser to mandatory treatment... no jail.

Then I would try... and if convicted execute every dealer, producer, and supplier on up....no exceptions

If foreign nations refused or were unable to stop the growing of drugs imported into the US I would destroy the crops and production and refinement centers...no exceptions.

That would stop the drugs in America within a year. I don't care if they sell drugs anywhere else in the world.

I am not talking about the particular drug of this thread... but the drug war for all illegal drugs.

Butch

Has it ever occurred to you, Butch, that your daughter might have had better success with her condition if she hadn't been forced to operate in the criminal underworld? Think of who she never would have gotten mixed up with outside the need to find her drugs, or pay the prices of them? If getting caught meant help, instead of jail? Without the stigma? Without using drugs where she had no idea of purity or potency?

The Constitution has suffered quite enough damage courtesy of this failure, you'll not be shredding the rest of it. There are places in the world where you can be executed for possession of marijuana and guess what? There are still people there who get high.

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Yep...money talks and the lure of tax monies has the Republicans of my state drooling.

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I'll be glad to


As a father of a drug addicted daughter that has destroyed her life... I would sentence every drug abuser to mandatory treatment... no jail.

Then I would try... and if convicted execute every dealer, producer, and supplier on up....no exceptions

If foreign nations refused or were unable to stop the growing of drugs imported into the US I would destroy the crops and production and refinement centers...no exceptions.

That would stop the drugs in America within a year. I don't care if they sell drugs anywhere else in the world.

I am not talking about the particular drug of this thread... but the drug war for all illegal drugs.

Butch

Has it ever occurred to you, Butch, that your daughter might have had better success with her condition if she hadn't been forced to operate in the criminal underworld? Think of who she never would have gotten mixed up with outside the need to find her drugs, or pay the prices of them? If getting caught meant help, instead of jail? Without the stigma? Without using drugs where she had no idea of purity or potency?

The Constitution has suffered quite enough damage courtesy of this failure, you'll not be shredding the rest of it. There are places in the world where you can be executed for possession of marijuana and guess what? There are still people there who get high.

Why happened to "My body, My choice"?

You want to get high or twerked or whatever, it is your body it should be your choice.

You want to high fat foods with lots of salt and guzzle 128 ounces of soda? Your body, your choice.

Do I want people smoking pot around me? No, it makes me ill. But if they are not in my house or car. . . then I don't care.

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I only mentioned taxes as a reason politicians would not try to block legalisation.

Butch

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Yes, keep in mind that Obama tried to close Gitmo - and the Radicals blocked him. And he tried to end the war in Iraq - but the Radicals fought him tooth and nail. Best laid plans of mice and well-meaning Democrats, I suppose.

I realize that this may come as a shock, DNAV, but incompetence isn't an excuse, it's still a fucking FAIL. He made the promise, probably meant it, but didn't have the skills to get it done.

Didn't have the skills? You mean catering to the right wing demands? You do remember what happened the last time the conservatives didn't get what they wanted right? They shut down your government. If you're saying incompetence isn't an excuse, then how about people who oppose the president as a good excuse? You got to realize that ya, Obama made a lot of promises, some of which he tried to follow through on but was stopped short by a republican dominated congress. I'm not saying Obama is a great president and that he isn't guilty for breaking promises, all politicians do that (not to mention I generally dislike him over many policies, drones being one of them). But you got to look at the big picture and look at the CAUSES for why Obama hasn't kept his promises. Does he not care? Did he lie? Or has he tried to do things but has been impeded by his political opponents? Chances are there are examples of all three, but you got to look at it by a case by case issue and not generalize.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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The ban has nothing to do with politics

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It is too late for my daughter... I would want to save future daughters...and if there were no drugs like heroin available there would be no drug problem. Escalating drugs of this type are different than pot and I am not lumping them together.

If the dealer in the street knew if caught he was dead he would look for another business.

If the meth producer knew that if he was caught he would be dead he would look for another business.

If say Columbia and its cartels knew we would invade and destroy... they would stop supplying the US and concentrate on Europe and other developing nations.

It would work and would work fast.

Butch