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Phydeaux -> RE: Obama Care (3/27/2014 5:55:09 PM)
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Ron's link doesn't has not a damn thing about US v Uk survival rates. Did you even click the link?
And again since you are so lazy to actually look: Elective surgery comprises 4+% of us health care spending. On that basis, our rates are only 50% more expensive than the uk - and we deliver cancer care that is, on average 36% better than the UK. And the truth is, its actually better than that.
So go ahead and tell me - if you have cancer would you rather get treated in the US or Britain. Because the odds are you'll live 2 years longer in the US.
Yes, I actually looked at it in detail.
We beat you on almost everything.
I'm not going to cherry-pick some very specific cases to twist the results.
As for your question....
If I had to pay DOUBLE the premiums all my life to live barely 2 years longer, I can certainly think of better things to spend all that money on - including a better standard of living where I probably wouldn't get the cancer in the first place. So that would completely negate your results.
And if you looked at that link Ron gave, I'd be living for 2.4 years longer anyways compared to living in the US.
So that again negates your argument.
By your own post, the US are twice as obese than Europeans are.
"Obesity is now linked to greater risk of death from heart disease, stroke, diabetes, high blood pressure, all of the most prevalent cancers, and worse treatment outcomes after heart surgery, trauma and burn surgery, and transplants. It is not simply that rates of diseases are higher; the treatment outcomes are significantly worse for cigarette smokers and obese patients."
So you are self-inflicting more damage to yourselves than we are.
The US are world-ranked higher than us for -
Coronary Heart Disease, Lung Cancers, Alzheimers/Dementia, Lung Disease, Diabetes Mellitus, Road Traffic Accidents, Hypertension, Suicide, Kidney Disease, Poisonings, Lymphomas, Pancreas Cancer, Endocrine Disorders, Inflammatory/Heart and Violence.
Do you realise that the US have 15 out of the top 20 worst rates of death compared to the UK?
And you maintain that it's worth paying more than double than what we do for healthcare??
Oh jeeezz. Come out of cloud cuckoo land FFS before you hurt yourself.
Pssst... We've had a conservative/lib-dem coalition government for over 4 years now. Do keep up!! [:D]
ETA: You wanna talk about water quality??
The UK ranks 7th in the top 10 for EPI. The US doesn't even feature in the top 10!
Source: http://www.therichest.com/expensive-lifestyle/location/top-10-countries-with-the-best-tap-water/
And on this site, the UK ranks 11th with a B grade whereas the US comes in at 13th with a C grade.
Source: http://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/details/environment/water-quality-index.aspx
So we even beat you on that one too!! [:D]
Yah Britain.
However, unlike you I have no problem:
a). Acknowledging that water quality, industrial poisoning, and obesity are in fact NOT measures of the quality of healthcare.
If you want to have a debate on the merits of clean water - I will happy to have that debate with you in another thread. This, however, is a thread on health care.
Again. If you want to have a debate that far more people die in the United States from Violence - well you really will have to try hard. Because I agree with you.
Just as I hope you will finally agree with me that the numbers of shootings and suicides are NOT measures of the quality of healthcare.
b). Once again, how long you live is not a proxy for the quality of health care. Americans are 3x as fat as englishmen. America has more cumulative years of smoking per capita. Americas have vastly higher incidences of violence, automobile accidents and suicides.
Have some intellectual honesty man. You might as well use dick size as the measure of health care quality. Its just as good a measure. Which means... not at all.
As for your coalition government- if thats the best you've got that I'm wrong because the governent is only PARTLY labor - well I'm afraid that pretty weak sauce.
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