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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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Why would people who were able to afford private health insurance qualify for Medicaid?

Because after the Obamacare bill past the average price of health insurance to the individual more than tripled and the average deductible increased tenfold.

Is there an another planet earth where this is happening? Because all of the people I know are now actually paying far less. Must be I only know flukes or maybe you pulled those numbers out of a hat?

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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Why would people who were able to afford private health insurance qualify for Medicaid?

Because after the Obamacare bill past the average price of health insurance to the individual more than tripled and the average deductible increased tenfold.

Is there an another planet earth where this is happening? Because all of the people I know are now actually paying far less. Must be I only know flukes or maybe you pulled those numbers out of a hat?

Nope, those are the numbers from the insurance company I had for almost ten years. And the four other companies I tried gave similar numbers. Insurance prices that are higher than a mortgage payment for a mid sized home.

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Our health care plan has not increased in cost. None of my friends are reporting lost or canceled plans or increasing costs.

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Our health care plan has not increased in cost. None of my friends are reporting lost or canceled plans or increasing costs.

Ironically enough, some of the most liberal states, where they screwed up insurance so badly, this is entirely possible. New York, & California come to mind.
New York basically had no functioning individual insurance market, due to state requirements. When Obamacare came in the requirements were actually less stringent and premiums came down.

The CBO don't lie*. About 1/3 will have lower premiums, mostly lower income but also people in some states like NY will have lower premiums. The rest will have insurance that costs more.




*well in asasmuch as that can be said about anything in washington...

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Merc, have you checked to see if you qualify for subsidies or just figured you don't so just whine?

Before January 1st, I had insurance that basically covered my meds. Of course, I couldn't find a decent doctor that I could see to prescribe those meds and NO, NONE, ZERO specialists or hospitalization.

So here I am, diabetic, degenerative arthritis, kidney stone disease and I can get meds that no one is there to prescribe , that's it. Kidney stone attack? Go to university hospital that is 30 miles away, but wait minimum of three months for an appointment, then another 2-3 to have them removed. If a blockage occurs in the meantime, and a local hospital puts in a stent because it is an emergency (and no ambulance is taking you 30 miles), then university hospital won't do your surgery at all and you just live in pain. Oh and no, not all kidney stones eventually pass.

My blood sugar was completely out of control, ranging around 450-525 and I have a lump on my thyroid that likely isn't cancer, but no way to find out.

As of january 1st, I am the grateful recipient of the expanded medicaid. I have hospitalization, and endocrinologist to treat my diabetes and thyroid and a urologist to deal with the constant issue of the kidney stones. NONE of which would have been possible without "Obama Care."

So do I feel sorry for the guy with the six figure income (or more) who now has to pay more for his health insurance Jthat he can easily afford)? Not one little bit.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Merc, have you checked to see if you qualify for subsidies or just figured you don't so just whine?

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Our health care plan has not increased in cost. None of my friends are reporting lost or canceled plans or increasing costs.

Ironically enough, some of the most liberal states, where they screwed up insurance so badly, this is entirely possible. New York, & California come to mind.
New York basically had no functioning individual insurance market, due to state requirements. When Obamacare came in the requirements were actually less stringent and premiums came down.

The CBO don't lie*. About 1/3 will have lower premiums, mostly lower income but also people in some states like NY will have lower premiums. The rest will have insurance that costs more.




*well in asasmuch as that can be said about anything in washington...

Here we go, another lie, cmon Phydeaux I thought that you'd be able to succeed where the "dims" can't and provide the actual "evidence" on the atrocities of obamacare

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Generally speaking, democrats are always in favor of expanding government services.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Merc, have you checked to see if you qualify for subsidies or just figured you don't so just whine?

I sent in the paperwork back in December but have yet to hear anything back. My paperwork is "being processed".

I couldn't use the website because the wording on there would have required me to lie to complete a submission so I had to use the paper forms.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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Merc, have you checked to see if you qualify for subsidies or just figured you don't so just whine?

Before January 1st, I had insurance that basically covered my meds. Of course, I couldn't find a decent doctor that I could see to prescribe those meds and NO, NONE, ZERO specialists or hospitalization.

So here I am, diabetic, degenerative arthritis, kidney stone disease and I can get meds that no one is there to prescribe , that's it. Kidney stone attack? Go to university hospital that is 30 miles away, but wait minimum of three months for an appointment, then another 2-3 to have them removed. If a blockage occurs in the meantime, and a local hospital puts in a stent because it is an emergency (and no ambulance is taking you 30 miles), then university hospital won't do your surgery at all and you just live in pain. Oh and no, not all kidney stones eventually pass.

My blood sugar was completely out of control, ranging around 450-525 and I have a lump on my thyroid that likely isn't cancer, but no way to find out.

As of january 1st, I am the grateful recipient of the expanded medicaid. I have hospitalization, and endocrinologist to treat my diabetes and thyroid and a urologist to deal with the constant issue of the kidney stones. NONE of which would have been possible without "Obama Care."

So do I feel sorry for the guy with the six figure income (or more) who now has to pay more for his health insurance Jthat he can easily afford)? Not one little bit.

First, contrary to popular opinion, I am not the first living heart donor. (Or even the second after Dick Cheney), and I am sorry for your Medical difficulties.

But you realize that expanding Medicaid has always been possible? and that it really has (fundamentally) nothing to do with insurance?

Generally speaking, democrats are always in favor of expanding government services. The issue till now was there was no way to *pay* for these services.
Which is precisely why they never got passed.

What Obamacare did (more or less) was pass a "reform" that said well, since we can't pay for it - make everyone with insurance pay for it.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Merc, have you checked to see if you qualify for subsidies or just figured you don't so just whine?

I sent in the paperwork back in December but have yet to hear anything back. My paperwork is "being processed".

I couldn't use the website because the wording on there would have required me to lie to complete a submission so I had to use the paper forms.

Which wording on there? Required me to only put in my income and then let me select the type of coverage I am looking for, all a lot cheaper than 3 years ago...

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Why is it, do you suppose, that the budget deficit figures start in 1962, but the deficit figures start in '46?
And the business investment figures start in '47? The Growth figures start in '45.

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Score in Colorado:

84,000 people signed up.

249,000 people cancelled.

Net: 160,000 people lose insurance. And of course tax payers are on the hook for the subsidies.

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Our health care plan has not increased in cost. None of my friends are reporting lost or canceled plans or increasing costs.

Ironically enough, some of the most liberal states, where they screwed up insurance so badly, this is entirely possible. New York, & California come to mind.
New York basically had no functioning individual insurance market, due to state requirements. When Obamacare came in the requirements were actually less stringent and premiums came down.

The CBO don't lie*. About 1/3 will have lower premiums, mostly lower income but also people in some states like NY will have lower premiums. The rest will have insurance that costs more.




*well in asasmuch as that can be said about anything in washington...

Here we go, another lie, cmon Phydeaux I thought that you'd be able to succeed where the "dims" can't and provide the actual "evidence" on the atrocities of obamacare

I wasn't aware you had actually asked me to provide evidence of it.
But as a start let me refer you to July 2010 federal register where the CBO projects the numbers of insurance cancellations.

As for evidence of the "atrocities" of Obamacare - do you suppose that they have (illegally) pushed back the employer mandate because the results have been so good? Or do you think it may be because they rightly fear the political schellacking that they are about to receive?

Regarding Ocare atrocities, I will note that the laws unpopularity is exactly where it was when the bill was ramrodded through by a party line vote with bribes paid to landrieu (the lousiana purchase) and nelson (the nebraska compromise).

Ie., by wide margins more americans hate or dislike the bill than support it.

And despite the brave words of dim mouthpieces, the odds of a republican take over of the senate are increasing.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Generally speaking, democrats are always in favor of expanding government services.

Oh those bad bad democrats.
and just look at the results of their ways!
"DEMOCRATS AND ECONOMIC GROWTH
This data is compiled by offsetting a President's Administration by a year to account for the fact that the Federal budget for any given fiscal year is drafted and passed in the previous calendar year. For example, 1993's budget was drafted and passed in 1992, during the Bush administration, so that year is ascribed to President Bush, even though President Clinton was in office in 1993.
One exception has been made: 2009's ARRA was drafted and passed by the Obama administration, creating $114 billion of Federal outlays for 2009. That amount has been subtracted from President Bush II's 2009 budget/deficit total and added to President Obama's.