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Phydeaux -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 9:12:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic sorry I come from "reasonable countries," who do give a shit about the health of every citizen, your claim is bogus. you pay into insurance or you pay in full directly to the hospital? Unless you pay cash, the truth is, every insurance plan is built on a pool of people ANY insurance plan And by having children, without paying the full cost to providers, you are having them pay for your fecundity. Use an aspirin between the legs your self Both of you!!! Why on earth do you make the assumption that he isn't paying the full cost to providers? Besides being rude to Arturas who as far as I know has not been rude to you, it seems a rather ignorant assumption. Health care providers here charge private patients rates that are greatly in excess of costs to cover government mandated (but not paid for) coverage to the poor.

Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 9:34:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic sorry I come from "reasonable countries," who do give a shit about the health of every citizen, your claim is bogus. you pay into insurance or you pay in full directly to the hospital? Unless you pay cash, the truth is, every insurance plan is built on a pool of people ANY insurance plan And by having children, without paying the full cost to providers, you are having them pay for your fecundity. Use an aspirin between the legs your self Both of you!!! Why on earth do you make the assumption that he isn't paying the full cost to providers? Besides being rude to Arturas who as far as I know has not been rude to you, it seems a rather ignorant assumption. Health care providers here charge private patients rates that are greatly in excess of costs to cover government mandated (but not paid for) coverage to the poor. Because he said he paid to aetna commercial insurance. Thats what you get for jumping in mouth first, Your ignorance pointed right back atcha http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4662981 I wasnt discussing the poor, or government mandated anything I was discussing his comments about paying for everyones healthcare. Id back off if I were you.

Arturas -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 9:52:09 AM)
quote: jeeeesh... always "funny" to read, how lifethreatening it seems to be for many americans, to "share." The left likes words. "Share" for steal.

Arturas -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 9:58:55 AM)
quote: He was apologizing that so many insurance policies were cancelled due to lawyers making very good cases for the policies removal. This was the foundation of your post. If you still feel "lawyers" are to blame for policy cancelations I won't be able to change your mind. But I can say this, the buck stops with the President and Presidents don't need you or me to make excuses for them or to smooth over their mistakes.

Arturas -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 10:10:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko My mom is paying 59 cents a month and was initially quoted for over $300 a month. This is with BCBS under Obamacare. She is 63. Tax credits to cut the cost, tremendously. I'm happy she has my money and she and you will vote Democrat so you can continue to do so. Any state that redistributes wealth from those who earned it to those who did not will fail because eventually there will be no more money to redistribute. But, enjoy my money while you can and although I do want your mother to obtain insurance I would rather she pay ten dollars a month and obtain coverage under a GOP plan that does not need to rob me of my hard earned wages but instead reduces insurance and health care costs so your mother can afford insurance and I can afford to keep on working. I'm pretty sure my mom has paid and still pays A LOT more in taxes than you since she owns SEVERAL properties in different states, several in this state alone and she has worked as a nurse since she was 18 years old. Don't insult my family, she doesn't even have time to be on CM like you do because of constraints. This is why no one votes for your party anymore. :) I don't recall "insulting" you family. If you felt I was then I assure you I would never purposely insult your mother or anyone's mother. It is not her fault the ACA is structured the way it is. It is Obama's fault since he did not lead the Congress but instead turned it completely over to a single party majority to produce a working plan. We are talking about her healthcare policy premium of 59 cents and it's obvious negative impact on my income taxes. The fact that she pays property taxes to keep them from being seized by the respective local governances does not change the dynamic we're discussing here nor does the fact that your mother was a nurse have anything to do with the discussion, I would think. My mother was a nurse too and could have used a policy that cost her 5-8 percent of her income and covered her nicely. I think that is the workable solution, to lower costs of both care and insurance so the burden can be shared equally without a give-away that breaks both the taxpayer and the healthcare system.

Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 10:17:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas quote: jeeeesh... always "funny" to read, how lifethreatening it seems to be for many americans, to "share." The left likes words. "Share" for steal. You seem pretty fond of them yourself.

Arturas -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 10:32:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas quote: jeeeesh... always "funny" to read, how lifethreatening it seems to be for many americans, to "share." The left likes words. "Share" for steal. You seem pretty fond of them yourself. I do. Truth. Honor. Responsibility. Faith. Love. Fatherhood. Compassion. Help. Charity. Goal. Sharing. Let's focus on "sharing". Sharing to me means I decide to give of myself to someone who has less and cannot provide. It is not someone taking from me.

thishereboi -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 11:21:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko My mom is paying 59 cents a month and was initially quoted for over $300 a month. This is with BCBS under Obamacare. She is 63. Tax credits to cut the cost, tremendously. I'm happy she has my money and she and you will vote Democrat so you can continue to do so. Any state that redistributes wealth from those who earned it to those who did not will fail because eventually there will be no more money to redistribute. But, enjoy my money while you can and although I do want your mother to obtain insurance I would rather she pay ten dollars a month and obtain coverage under a GOP plan that does not need to rob me of my hard earned wages but instead reduces insurance and health care costs so your mother can afford insurance and I can afford to keep on working. I'm pretty sure my mom has paid and still pays A LOT more in taxes than you since she owns SEVERAL properties in different states, several in this state alone and she has worked as a nurse since she was 18 years old. Don't insult my family, she doesn't even have time to be on CM like you do because of constraints. This is why no one votes for your party anymore. :) While I agree that his post was out of line and I personally don't have a problem paying to help those who can't help themselves. I have to ask. If she owns several properties out of state and several more in state, why does she need tax credits to get her insurance?

GoddessManko -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 11:38:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko My mom is paying 59 cents a month and was initially quoted for over $300 a month. This is with BCBS under Obamacare. She is 63. Tax credits to cut the cost, tremendously. I'm happy she has my money and she and you will vote Democrat so you can continue to do so. Any state that redistributes wealth from those who earned it to those who did not will fail because eventually there will be no more money to redistribute. But, enjoy my money while you can and although I do want your mother to obtain insurance I would rather she pay ten dollars a month and obtain coverage under a GOP plan that does not need to rob me of my hard earned wages but instead reduces insurance and health care costs so your mother can afford insurance and I can afford to keep on working. I'm pretty sure my mom has paid and still pays A LOT more in taxes than you since she owns SEVERAL properties in different states, several in this state alone and she has worked as a nurse since she was 18 years old. Don't insult my family, she doesn't even have time to be on CM like you do because of constraints. This is why no one votes for your party anymore. :) While I agree that his post was out of line and I personally don't have a problem paying to help those who can't help themselves. I have to ask. If she owns several properties out of state and several more in state, why does she need tax credits to get her insurance? Good question! It's apparently solely income based and not your overall net worth, her options were this plan or Medicare, she chose this. It's not the entire cost though. $5 copay, $10 prescriptions and anything medical over $2000 a year is 100% covered. Still AMAZING.

Arturas -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 12:09:12 PM)
quote: Because he said he paid to aetna commercial insurance. Thats what you get for jumping in mouth first, Your ignorance pointed right back atcha So, why, if I am paying for full coverage to an Aetna commercial plan, am I not "paying my fair share"? So, why did you call her ignorant? Even if she were wrong, and she is not, she does not deserve such treatment. Do you always post like this?

Arturas -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 12:14:32 PM)
quote: While I agree that his post was out of line and I personally don't have a problem paying to help those who can't help themselves. I have to ask. Interesting. How is the post "out of line"? I'm glad you "personally" don't have a problem helping people. But that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about taking money from people to pay for others.

Arturas -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 12:26:01 PM)
quote: It's apparently solely income based and not your overall net worth, So if I pay 8 percent of my income and she does also, to be fair so that she can help others also, then that means at 59 cents per month premium she brings home about $4.80 per month.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 12:55:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Because he said he paid to aetna commercial insurance. Thats what you get for jumping in mouth first, Your ignorance pointed right back atcha http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4662981 I wasnt discussing the poor, or government mandated anything I was discussing his comments about paying for everyones healthcare. Id back off if I were you. Actually, Lucy, you need to reread what Arturas wrote. quote: My current Aetna commercial coverage pays for births [1]and is not ever subsidized by anyone but the other premium payers in our risk pool. It is a commercial plan and we are not subsidized by taxpayers. We pay our equal share of the costs and so we don't pay less so others can pay more. We pay our own way. His claim is that he pays his full share of premiums. He's not getting tax credits or anything like that to pay for his premiums. Technically, he's not paying his way exclusively (which is why people do buy insurance), but is paying his full insurance plan premium. His claim about GoddessManko's Mom and her 59¢ monthly premium, is that she isn't paying her full share of the premiums. What is the cost for Canadian Health Insurance, or whatever it's called? In the UK, NHS is, IIRC, 8.2% of your income over the non-taxable portion.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 12:58:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko My mom is paying 59 cents a month and was initially quoted for over $300 a month. This is with BCBS under Obamacare. She is 63. Tax credits to cut the cost, tremendously. I'm happy she has my money and she and you will vote Democrat so you can continue to do so. Any state that redistributes wealth from those who earned it to those who did not will fail because eventually there will be no more money to redistribute. But, enjoy my money while you can and although I do want your mother to obtain insurance I would rather she pay ten dollars a month and obtain coverage under a GOP plan that does not need to rob me of my hard earned wages but instead reduces insurance and health care costs so your mother can afford insurance and I can afford to keep on working. I'm pretty sure my mom has paid and still pays A LOT more in taxes than you since she owns SEVERAL properties in different states, several in this state alone and she has worked as a nurse since she was 18 years old. Don't insult my family, she doesn't even have time to be on CM like you do because of constraints. This is why no one votes for your party anymore. :) Does your Mom pay Federal taxes on those properties, or do those taxes go solely to the State/Local governments? Her taxes, unless they are Federal taxes, aren't being used to subsidize Obamacare tax credits for insurance premiums.

GoddessManko -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 12:59:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko My mom is paying 59 cents a month and was initially quoted for over $300 a month. This is with BCBS under Obamacare. She is 63. Tax credits to cut the cost, tremendously. I'm happy she has my money and she and you will vote Democrat so you can continue to do so. Any state that redistributes wealth from those who earned it to those who did not will fail because eventually there will be no more money to redistribute. But, enjoy my money while you can and although I do want your mother to obtain insurance I would rather she pay ten dollars a month and obtain coverage under a GOP plan that does not need to rob me of my hard earned wages but instead reduces insurance and health care costs so your mother can afford insurance and I can afford to keep on working. I'm pretty sure my mom has paid and still pays A LOT more in taxes than you since she owns SEVERAL properties in different states, several in this state alone and she has worked as a nurse since she was 18 years old. Don't insult my family, she doesn't even have time to be on CM like you do because of constraints. This is why no one votes for your party anymore. :) Does your Mom pay Federal taxes on those properties, or do those taxes go solely to the State/Local governments? Her taxes, unless they are Federal taxes, aren't being used to subsidize Obamacare tax credits for insurance premiums. Again, my mother has worked as a nurse since she was 18, even after accumulating her wealth. She is recently retired and she pays more in taxes than most people so she's the LAST person to be called a "mooch".

Arturas -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 2:35:30 PM)
quote: so she's the LAST person to be called a "mooch". If I might, I apologize if I led you to believe I think your mother is a mooch. I am discussing the system here and perhaps the voters who empowered politicians to produce this system and not those who use it, like your mother. While I don't expect your mother to send more money in to pay eight percent of her income to health care premiums right now, I do expect her to realize the system is wrong and that she should next vote for someone who will make it fair to everyone and everyone perhaps pay a reasonable percentage of their income combined with health care cost reductions and insurance competition bringing down rates and then perhaps we can get through this and end up with something everyone will be proud to be a part of.

mnottertail -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 2:36:32 PM)
Single Payer.

Phydeaux -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 2:49:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic sorry I come from "reasonable countries," who do give a shit about the health of every citizen, your claim is bogus. you pay into insurance or you pay in full directly to the hospital? Unless you pay cash, the truth is, every insurance plan is built on a pool of people ANY insurance plan And by having children, without paying the full cost to providers, you are having them pay for your fecundity. Use an aspirin between the legs your self Both of you!!! Why on earth do you make the assumption that he isn't paying the full cost to providers? Besides being rude to Arturas who as far as I know has not been rude to you, it seems a rather ignorant assumption. Health care providers here charge private patients rates that are greatly in excess of costs to cover government mandated (but not paid for) coverage to the poor. Because he said he paid to aetna commercial insurance. Thats what you get for jumping in mouth first, Your ignorance pointed right back atcha http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4662981 I wasnt discussing the poor, or government mandated anything I was discussing his comments about paying for everyones healthcare. Id back off if I were you. Lets correct a few ignorant assumptions on your part. First, I was well aware he had Aetna insurance. Second, Aetna sets its premiums at a rate such that Aetna (an insurance provider) has its costs plus profits met. So he certainly isnt shorting Aetna. Third, you made the ignorant comment that he wasn't paying the full costs to health care providers. I kindly asked you to explain what you meant. And your reply was, per usual derisive. You seem to lack the fundamental understanding that the way insurance works is that you pay the insurance company, the insurance company pays the health care provider. So in no case is Arturas shorting health care providers anywhere. As I tried to explain to you, private insurance provides reimbursement rates that are, on the average, 30% greater than government reimbursement rates to healthcare providers. As for backing off.. not a chance.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 2:54:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko My mom is paying 59 cents a month and was initially quoted for over $300 a month. This is with BCBS under Obamacare. She is 63. Tax credits to cut the cost, tremendously. I'm happy she has my money and she and you will vote Democrat so you can continue to do so. Any state that redistributes wealth from those who earned it to those who did not will fail because eventually there will be no more money to redistribute. But, enjoy my money while you can and although I do want your mother to obtain insurance I would rather she pay ten dollars a month and obtain coverage under a GOP plan that does not need to rob me of my hard earned wages but instead reduces insurance and health care costs so your mother can afford insurance and I can afford to keep on working. I'm pretty sure my mom has paid and still pays A LOT more in taxes than you since she owns SEVERAL properties in different states, several in this state alone and she has worked as a nurse since she was 18 years old. Don't insult my family, she doesn't even have time to be on CM like you do because of constraints. This is why no one votes for your party anymore. :) Does your Mom pay Federal taxes on those properties, or do those taxes go solely to the State/Local governments? Her taxes, unless they are Federal taxes, aren't being used to subsidize Obamacare tax credits for insurance premiums. Again, my mother has worked as a nurse since she was 18, even after accumulating her wealth. She is recently retired and she pays more in taxes than most people so she's the LAST person to be called a "mooch". She is currently paying more in Federal taxes than most people? If she isn't currently paying in more than most, then your point means little to this conversation.

lilcracker -> RE: Obama Care (3/19/2014 3:09:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Score in Colorado: 84,000 people signed up. 249,000 people cancelled. Net: 160,000 people lose insurance. And of course tax payers are on the hook for the subsidies. Source please OP....and just an FYI....I get free health care through my employer....thank you very much President Obama because as of January first I could add my married child who no longer lives with me or relies on me for support to my health care insurance (she is under 26 and prior to Affordable Health Care Reform I could not have added her because she is married) and it does not cost me ANYTHING. If she got insurance through her husband his employer would have charged them an additional $300 per month just to add her.

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