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RE: Friends and family - 3/21/2014 8:21:30 PM   
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I used to obsess over how dangerous the world is, and my life is much better now that I no longer dwell on that. I take reasonable precautions, but I no longer obsess.

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RE: Friends and family - 3/21/2014 8:32:53 PM   
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As some may have noticed, I thanked people for posts that have been helpful. But when it comes to resolving the issue, especially with recent posts, that hasn't been the case.. Also, if the question doesn't make sense, perhaps questions should be asked so it does make sense *shrug*, although I don't see how it is unclear, then again it is my question



Forgetting about hospitals for a moment, what you really want is a way to make a safe call.

You want a way to make sure that you're ok, and that if you're not, somebody will put the cops on the right trail to find you.

If that's really what you want, and you really don't feel comfortable enough to have your friends/family do this for you. I wouldn't mind doing it if you'd like. Hell, if one person isn't enough, I'm sure we could find half a dozen people on this board alone who would be glad to help out. You could go, mass text everybody if you were fine, and if we don't hear from you, we'll drop the info off at the cops.

After all, that's the ONLY security you'll gain from your friends and family knowing. Anything beyond that is still just a risk you'll have to take.

Edited to add: BTW, if $10 in cab fair would make the difference between you feeling safe or not when coming home from a fetish club, message me on the other side, and I'll paypall you the $10. Seriously, no joke.




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RE: Friends and family - 3/21/2014 8:34:55 PM   
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One of my favorite sayings:

"A safe call is a great way to find the body".

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RE: Friends and family - 3/22/2014 4:09:50 PM   
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So you have been through some horribly traumatic experiences and your friends and family balmed you for them. I get it. Sorry but all the more reason therapy would be beneficial.

You ARE letting your worries control your life. Throughout this thread, each suggestion made to you, you have found a new worry. When you read about the possibilities with nipple piercing, did you read how often that happens? Because lots of people have them with no problems, so the possibility is small, yet you responded as though it was a given.

I'm really sorry bad things have happened to you and you didn't get the response you hope for from the people in your life. But stop axting like suggesting therapy is an attack. Getting therapy doesn't mean you are crazy, or that you failed as a person, or even thatt you are weak. In your case, it means you suffered something traumatic and it is now causing unreasonable fear in your life. Yes, unreasonable. Your posts here suggest that you can't move past what happened and start to live a normal life. REASONABLE precautions? Of course. But you are looking for reasonable, you are looking for guarantees, and they don't exist.

Please get some help so that you can forgive those that blamed you and mostly so you can forgive yourself. Then make a choice that you are going to move forward in life taking REASONABLE precautions and learning to live your life without worrying what your family is going to lame you for.

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RE: Friends and family - 3/23/2014 2:08:47 PM   
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Something else that I just realised, while I have my reason [wanting a safe call as many have chosen to call it], others may want to bring it up with a partner, whether it's a spouse or just a girlfriend/boyfriend. Just because you're married or dating someone, doesn't mean they have to agree with things that you enjoy, even if it's just baseball or rock collecting *shrug*

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RE: Friends and family - 3/23/2014 2:14:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

quote:

ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

As some may have noticed, I thanked people for posts that have been helpful. But when it comes to resolving the issue, especially with recent posts, that hasn't been the case.. Also, if the question doesn't make sense, perhaps questions should be asked so it does make sense *shrug*, although I don't see how it is unclear, then again it is my question



Forgetting about hospitals for a moment, what you really want is a way to make a safe call.

You want a way to make sure that you're ok, and that if you're not, somebody will put the cops on the right trail to find you.

If that's really what you want, and you really don't feel comfortable enough to have your friends/family do this for you. I wouldn't mind doing it if you'd like. Hell, if one person isn't enough, I'm sure we could find half a dozen people on this board alone who would be glad to help out. You could go, mass text everybody if you were fine, and if we don't hear from you, we'll drop the info off at the cops.

After all, that's the ONLY security you'll gain from your friends and family knowing. Anything beyond that is still just a risk you'll have to take.

Edited to add: BTW, if $10 in cab fair would make the difference between you feeling safe or not when coming home from a fetish club, message me on the other side, and I'll paypall you the $10. Seriously, no joke.





I'll chip in too, seriously, if it's a 10er, no problem, I rather part with $10 and know you're OK!

As for the call, plenty of us would be willing to do it. If I'm in Europe I could still give you a call, though informing the cops from over here would be a bit difficult. But there are a ton of people who are possibly closer and willing to help you out.

Maybe somebody here knows a few reliable people near you, who might take you along to a few munches or a party.

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RE: Friends and family - 3/23/2014 5:08:36 PM   
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quote:

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And to the people who think I need therapy, when you've had stray dogs chasing after you; a dog not on a leash run up to you barking up a storm [the owner not doing anything but calling the *bleeping* dog]; have had a stranger put their hands around your neck in a public parking lot [where not a single person came to help]; etc, I hope people don't tell you that you need therapy because you choose to think about as many possible outcomes for future outings! Yeah, you don't know me, don't know what I've been through, but to judge me just because I want to be safe. Yeah. *shaking head*.. And the same could be said for me about you. I don't know what anyone else has been through, but I'd assume that if someone has ever been in a risky situation, that their advice would not be "don't worry".. .. Also, when the people who supposedly care about you wind up placing the blame on you, even though it wasn't your fault. Yeah. "Don't worry".


Before you dismiss therapy, it can help put things into perspective including the understandable baggage of unsupportive family members.

People here often recommend this book (someone may already have):
The Gift of Fear


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RE: Friends and family - 3/24/2014 7:04:01 PM   
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For those in vanilla relationships, but are interested in exploring kinky things with a partner, "how do you learn if a friend of family member is open minded enough to accept your interest in the taboo?".. While bondage and spanking may be the most widely known, there are people interested in furries, cuckolding, swinging, exhibitionism, etc. A book about spanking may not help if someone is a looner *shrug*

Also, if it wasn't obvious, this is meant for people in existing relationships. Just because all of you may choose to only date or marry people you meet at events, doesn't mean the rest of the world has to follow suit


And if I could, I would delete future posts that suggest seeing a shrink, but sadly, that isn't possible. So just don't!

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RE: Friends and family - 3/24/2014 7:19:22 PM   
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because it didn't work for you then it won't work for others???



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RE: Friends and family - 3/24/2014 7:30:39 PM   
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Can I ask a serious question (I'm not trolling and I mean no offense, genuine question)?

Why are you so dead set on not taking legitimate advice and suggestions?

Certainly there are more "off brand" kinks out there- and my response to you is, if you're so terrified of losing everyone around you because of your kink, is your kink really worth it to you?

Seriously- I would love the opportunity to bang a bar full of strangers without condoms while tied up and blindfolded- but you know...I like being STD free MORE, so I don't do it.

If you're going to refute all the advice you're given by experienced folks- there is little it seems anyone can do for you.
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Re: Therapy- I have PTSD from something that wasn't military service. It wasn't my fault. Its bullshit, but its better with therapy. I urge you to Cmail me on the profile side for more information. But I am very, incredibly familiar with staying up all night worrying about ridiculous outcomes of seemingly easy choices. I'm so familiar in fact, I can tell you I've been up for 48 hours straight only due to the fact that I got worried about a bump in the night. So before you go on dismissing me as someone who has "no idea what you're going through"- I do, the ONLY way I've even wandered back into BDSM is with therapy.

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RE: Friends and family - 3/24/2014 7:38:14 PM   
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quote:

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If you're going to refute all the advice you're given by experienced folks- there is little it seems anyone can do for you.

I was beginning to wonder that myself.

90 posts and refusal to budge on anything suggested.

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RE: Friends and family - 3/24/2014 7:42:54 PM   
kkaliforniaa


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Let me ask a legitimate question, why are people so dead set on not answering the question? The only advice, other than seeing a shrink, and not worrying, has been to meet people at munches/events, or to leave a book on a table. You can't honestly say that those are the only options available!!

Also, I have changed the question so that other people who are interested can get advice, but I guess everyone likes ganging up on me and my neurosis! Yay, don't I feel special

For those in vanilla relationships, but are interested in exploring kinky things with a partner, "how do you learn if a friend of family member is open minded enough to accept your interest in the taboo?"
Also, if it wasn't obvious, this is meant for people in existing relationships.


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RE: Friends and family - 3/24/2014 7:46:16 PM   
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In answer to your question above....I don't.

I don't care what they think.


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RE: Friends and family - 3/24/2014 7:50:09 PM   
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I decided my kink was a necessary part of my relationship, and explained he could be rougher with me, from jump street.
AS PREVIOUSLY STATED- My CURRENT man of 4 years wasn't kinky before I met him. We are kinky now. Lots of talking, communicating, patience, and following BOTH of our interests.
AS PREVIOUSLY STATED- I haven't told my friends or family- I don't worry about a safety call, cause I live with him. Before, when I was dating, I didn't sleep with people I didn't know well enough to make me worry about it, I didn't put myself into dangerous, stupid situations. If I were meeting someone from the internet- I just said to my roommate- "hey I'm meeting a stranger, keep your phone on 'ring'."


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RE: Friends and family - 3/24/2014 7:57:23 PM   
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Okay littlewonder. Good to know that you'll either choose to suppress any interest in kink so that your spouse doesn't find out. Or you'll end a perfectly good relationship because you decided to share your interest and the person you were in love with couldn't accept all of you. Good to know

As for talking, shiftyw, did you just blurt out "I want you to tie me up.. .." or did you take a more subtle approach like, "it looked a little fun in that scene with [famous actress] in that movie [name of movie], what did you think of it?"

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RE: Friends and family - 3/24/2014 7:58:55 PM   
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It can be as simple as asking them if they know about < insert kink here>. You don't have to tell them it's ~your~ interest. Just an article you skimmed and you're interested in their opinion. No need to go into detail.

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RE: Friends and family - 3/24/2014 8:01:33 PM   
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~FRing it~

How do you know if family and friends are okay with kink?

How about just asking them?!? If you are so set on putting your business on Front Street with them, just open your mouth and directly ask them. Short of that, there is no mysterious roadmap to puzzle out whether they will accept it or not. I personally don't do the whole covert ops to figure people out thing. Direct route without dancing around the issue is how I roll. But ultimately I feel it is none of my friends or family's business what I do or who I do it with. I don't discuss my sex life with them...and wouldn't even if I was vanilla as hell. But that's just me. Since I don't date vanilla, those I date tend to have a mind for kink in the first place.

You are asking a bunch of strangers about the open mindedness of people ONLY YOU KNOW. How the hell are we supposed to know how people we don't know think? We know nothing about your family or who you choose to be friends with. Only you can gauge their receptiveness.

Seriously, you need to dial down the persecution knob just a little. No one here is out to tear you down. We are trying to help, but you are asking a ridiculously impossible question to answer.

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RE: Friends and family - 3/24/2014 8:11:52 PM   
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Was this mentioned before:
There is a book:
When Someone You Love is Kinky

You can pass the book onto them and be willing to have hard conversations.

But you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that not everyone is going to be accepting.
You may lose some friends.
If you have friends or family who are of the LGBT variety you might consider coming out to them first.

They tend to be more open and accepting.
Friends and family who are very supportive of same sex marriage?
They too are a possibility.

But it is impossible to know with certainty who may be okay with it, who may be okay with it given some time to process and who won't be okay with it ever.


Here is a question:
Are you interested in exploring kink with someone you are interested in or involved with?

You have mail.



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RE: Friends and family - 3/24/2014 8:17:57 PM   
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I mean- I'm probably not who you're looking for, I'm really not that hardcore.

but basically- its been a slow process, I pick domish types, and we have freak chemistry. I mean, our sexuality is just really compatible even in a "vanilla setting". But it was more like while he was banging me I told him he could "Spank me way harder", or "Hey, see those handcuffs, not just a gag gift from my roommate!"

I mean, I'm a pretty sexual girl, I'm upfront about that, upfront that I'm willing to experiment with someone, I mean, I usually have these conversations before even having sex at all. I mean not first date stuff, but before I go all the way, my partners usually get the vibe that I'm a bit "deviant" if you will. Current beau, was really interested in spanking, so am I- while not the freakiest thing I'm into, it was a good jumping off point of mutual interest and satisfaction. From there it expanded into other things he wanted to try/I wanted to do with him. I mean now he is comfortable with all the toys we have, purchases new ones without me having to put in any input, and really, I think he naturally was more dominant, cause that's what I'm attracted to. I've never had to really "come clean", I wouldn't end up in a relationship I were miserable in. Or for that matter, stay in a miserable relationship.

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RE: Friends and family - 3/24/2014 8:26:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

Okay littlewonder. Good to know that you'll either choose to suppress any interest in kink so that your spouse doesn't find out. Or you'll end a perfectly good relationship because you decided to share your interest and the person you were in love with couldn't accept all of you. Good to know

As for talking, shiftyw, did you just blurt out "I want you to tie me up.. .." or did you take a more subtle approach like, "it looked a little fun in that scene with [famous actress] in that movie [name of movie], what did you think of it?"


My spouse? I don't have a spouse. Where the hell did that come from? I don't cheat on my partners. I have Master. And I date men because they are dominant in personality, not because of a kink. Kink doesn't rule my life.Personality does. If I can't live without a little hair pulling or beating then for me, I'm just letting another addiction rule me. No thanks. I rule my life. Not my addictions, not my kinks.


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