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Politesub53 -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 5:57:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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Lmfao this is among the stupidest things you have ever posted. Ever wondered why you are speaking English ? Or using laws based on ours, including the bill of rights ?



Because we got to chose the bits we liked and leave the bullshit behind, of course. You weren't as fortunate.

This isn't to say that once upon a time Brits weren't an Empire. Of course they were. Merely that its namby pamby current citizens have relegated a once great empire to obsolescence, obscurity and irrelevance.

I mean you are irrelevant even to the EU...


My oh my, why are you so miffed because I pointed out you were talking crap ? Odd to think this obscure and irrelevant nation of ours is the first your Presidents look to when a crisis looms. You should really stop breaking the TOS and get your head stuck into a history book.




deathtothepixies -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 6:35:39 PM)


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just like we were inflicted with Piers...


All those guns and you didn't manage to shoot Piers Morgan, not once!

Which proves we are not as stupid and violent as he would have us believe.


Kirata got the joke, shame you missed it......




BamaD -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 7:22:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Not entirely relevant to the subject at hand, but isn't it encouraging to see someone become so successful on the back of so little talent? I mean, Piers isn't a cretin, but he's firmly in the mediocrity category, isn't he?

I've always been baffled as to whatever possessed the Septics that they took him on for one of their high profile TV programmes, but deeply grateful that they did.


If you take him back I will forgive you for Boy George




BamaD -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 7:25:12 PM)

"Disarmament of the whiskey rebels by act of Congress. "

Penalties for rebellion and gun control are not at all the same




BamaD -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 7:28:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies


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just like we were inflicted with Piers...


All those guns and you didn't manage to shoot Piers Morgan, not once!

Which proves we are not as stupid and violent as he would have us believe.


Kirata got the joke, shame you missed it......

Shame you couldn't see I was running with your joke.




TheHeretic -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 7:40:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Do not try and make my posts say things different than what I wrote. That is against the TOS. 


Was that explained to you in a golden email, by chance?




TheHeretic -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 7:52:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

While I see the parallels I don't see British gun control to be anymore my business
than ours is theirs



There may be parallels, but I think they are superficial. Our laws on guns have a much different foundation. I think that is a primary reason non-US posters regarding US gun laws have so much trouble with basic comprehension of the real issues, and instead are stuck on appeals to emotion, quickly followed by character assassination.






MercTech -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 7:53:32 PM)

I posted the original link as just what I said, a dissenting opinion from the U.K. on U.K. gun control laws.

If you follow the link you see a pattern of criminalization of persons for doing what was formerly perfectly legal behavior. And the criminalization continuing to excess to the point a man was arrested for purchasing a book on home gunsmithing.

To me, it is an example of excessive use of force against law abiding citizens similar to that high school senior charged with a felony for having legal items in his car on school grounds.

Rules don't come on stone tablets from burning bushes any more. They are decisions made by fallible people. And when they are ridiculous; we, as citizens, should speak up for change. If you don't push back on ridiculous rules, soon everything that is not mandatory will be forbidden and George Orwell will have been a prophet.




TheHeretic -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 7:57:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

All those guns and you didn't manage to shoot Piers Morgan, not once!



Nope. Much more entertaining to just watch his ratings dive, as he shot himself. [:D]




DomKen -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 8:11:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Do not try and make my posts say things different than what I wrote. That is against the TOS. 


Was that explained to you in a golden email, by chance?

No, it was explicitly said by the mods several different times in the forum.




dcnovice -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 8:15:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

All those guns and you didn't manage to shoot Piers Morgan, not once!


Nope. Much more entertaining to just watch his ratings dive, as he shot himself. [:D]

I've never watched him. Is he as awful as everyone seems to say?




BamaD -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 8:15:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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While I see the parallels I don't see British gun control to be anymore my business
than ours is theirs



There may be parallels, but I think they are superficial. Our laws on guns have a much different foundation. I think that is a primary reason non-US posters regarding US gun laws have so much trouble with basic comprehension of the real issues, and instead are stuck on appeals to emotion, quickly followed by character assassination.




I agree it is as if we were posting in Greek, which, of course I don't speak.




BamaD -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 8:20:15 PM)


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All those guns and you didn't manage to shoot Piers Morgan, not once!


Nope. Much more entertaining to just watch his ratings dive, as he shot himself. [:D]

I've never watched him. Is he as awful as everyone seems to say?


I have seen some of his interviews on gun control.
He was rude, overbearing, arrogant, and totally ignorant
of his subject matter.
Other than that he was no worse than Chris (tingle legs) Matthews.




BamaD -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 8:42:14 PM)


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1) This is not a US only board
2) He's not making a recommendation, simply sharing the history.

I'm of the mind we can learn from the experiences of others.


And you certainly make a good point. I think he makes an implication though that gun control in the US would be a very slippery slope with one thing leading to the next until just about everything is either severely restricted or illegal. .

You know we've had gun control laws since the Constitution was ratified and that hasn't happened right? if they can indoctrinate the masses into believing the 2nd amendment pertains to the national Gaurd or some such shit then we'll start slipping down the road ata faster


It hasn't happened yet because that pesky 2nd amendment has managed to make gun control a much higher mountain to climb than In the UK. Though if they can indoctrinate the masses into believing the 2nd amendment pertains only to the National Gaurd or some other silly shit then we'll start slipping down that slope at a much faster pace.

Do not try and make my posts say things different than what I wrote. That is against the TOS. Simply admitting you were full of shit would have been the simplest response.


I must be missing something. I don't see how I put words in your mouth. I thought my post implied agreement with, UK type restrictions haven't "happened". I simply opined why that is with a bit more of my opinion for good measure.

Though if I admitted I was full of shit agreeing with you, wouldn't that make you full of shit too ? Sure we have gun control that hasn't yet expanded so severely as it has in the UK but if we just roll over and admit we're full of shit, it could happen.

You added text to my post as if I wrote it. That is expressly forbidden.

And you obviously couldn't weasel out of the bullshit you spread so you tried a red herring it didn't work. Do try to stick to the claim you made. In 1789 there were gun controls on this country so we should have rapidly lost all gun rights. That did not happen therefore you were...

Total logic lapse.
Please document those controls.

Disarmament of the whiskey rebels by act of Congress.

Care to try again with actual gun control?




TheHeretic -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 8:46:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice
I've never watched him. Is he as awful as everyone seems to say?



I'm in the same position, DC. I don't watch any of the cable news chat shows. I saw a couple Youtube clips, and read a couple transcripts. Getting fired by CNN for horrible rating would suggest a "yes."




MattUK2 -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 8:59:43 PM)

I’m going to pop into this thread because I’ve lived in both countries and I’ve left both countries for the same reason. What I noticed is that people do not look at their own failures and assess themselves on the basis of what they can do to change their lives for the better. Rather the basis of what the government & the foreigners did to them, blaming their feelings of helplessness on outside factors.

Complainers about the government say, “If only the government’s policies on (gun control, price of eggs, war) would only change, it would make our lives better. They make themselves the victims of the government and outside influences to blame.

These victims say the government/foreigners’etc created their problems. By doing so they no longer feel personal responsibility for the ills that befall them. The only people I see that can really lay claim to being victims of a government/foreigners/etc are those so physically and/or mentally handicapped they do not have the free will to stop what is being done to them.

What the self-proclaimed victims want to forget is THEY are responsible for the government and the policies. They voted the government into power - either through direct voting or by not voting. And if you say you voted for the “other guy” so it’s not your fault, then you’re lying to yourself. How? Just as the original 13 American colonies did you remove yourself from the source that you no longer want to be a part of. How? As thousands of American and British citizens are doing they leaving and renouncing their citizenships for political reasons.

This is what I chose to do.

You say you can’t (or is it you won’t) because of X or XX then stop making yourself a victim and find a way to stop those things you don’t like. Get out of your pubs, football games, off your couch and put the remote down turn off Holyoaks/CSI and hit the streets - en mass.

Politicians are deathly afraid of organized disgruntled voters who take to the streets - and I mean peaceful demonstrations. It’s called freedom of speech and it is the first thing to go when you allow your government to not be responsible to you. And gun control is a form of the destruction of free speech.

Politicians blows with the wind - s/he get paid the same whether they pass policies that are beneficial or not. They like the power, the lifestyle, the perks, threaten those benefits and they’ll do what you want them to do. You see, by following the winds whether from the right or the left the politician is either your puppet or the other guys. Sure money talks, but so do millions of votes. So does embarrassing a politician in the press.

Don’t want to do that? Then shut up, and die.

If you keep allowing yourself to feel victimized by the government’s policies very soon your behavior becomes second nature and prevents you from ever rising above your limitations. Just like Pavlov’s dog.

We are now live in a global world of intense competition, you can no longer afford to feel sorry for yourself and all those bad policies of the government for your situation. You have to confront and control your own destiny, or else give up and die - slowly, in front of the telly, in the pub, at the football game listening to all the others exactly like you.

Saying what happens in the USA doesn't affects the UK, and vice versa is xenophobic because each will adapt their laws/policies based upon what the other does by quoting each other saying, “If it’s good enough for the Americans/British then we should do it too.” Law makers for the most part are lazy they look for what’s called precedence so they don’t have to make the decision themselves.

The USA and the UK are no longer the powers they want the world to think they are, and they will do whatever they can to help each other appear to be strong so don't think what happens in the UK or USA stays there.




BamaD -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 9:10:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MattUK2

I’m going to pop into this thread because I’ve lived in both countries and I’ve left both countries for the same reason. What I noticed is that people do not look at their own failures and assess themselves on the basis of what they can do to change their lives for the better. Rather the basis of what the government & the foreigners did to them, blaming their feelings of helplessness on outside factors.

Complainers about the government say, “If only the government’s policies on (gun control, price of eggs, war) would only change, it would make our lives better. They make themselves the victims of the government and outside influences to blame.

These victims say the government/foreigners’etc created their problems. By doing so they no longer feel personal responsibility for the ills that befall them. The only people I see that can really lay claim to being victims of a government/foreigners/etc are those so physically and/or mentally handicapped they do not have the free will to stop what is being done to them.

What the self-proclaimed victims want to forget is THEY are responsible for the government and the policies. They voted the government into power - either through direct voting or by not voting. And if you say you voted for the “other guy” so it’s not your fault, then you’re lying to yourself. How? Just as the original 13 American colonies did you remove yourself from the source that you no longer want to be a part of. How? As thousands of American and British citizens are doing they leaving and renouncing their citizenships for political reasons.

This is what I chose to do.

You say you can’t (or is it you won’t) because of X or XX then stop making yourself a victim and find a way to stop those things you don’t like. Get out of your pubs, football games, off your couch and put the remote down turn off Holyoaks/CSI and hit the streets - en mass.

Politicians are deathly afraid of organized disgruntled voters who take to the streets - and I mean peaceful demonstrations. It’s called freedom of speech and it is the first thing to go when you allow your government to not be responsible to you. And gun control is a form of the destruction of free speech.

Politicians blows with the wind - s/he get paid the same whether they pass policies that are beneficial or not. They like the power, the lifestyle, the perks, threaten those benefits and they’ll do what you want them to do. You see, by following the winds whether from the right or the left the politician is either your puppet or the other guys. Sure money talks, but so do millions of votes. So does embarrassing a politician in the press.

Don’t want to do that? Then shut up, and die.

If you keep allowing yourself to feel victimized by the government’s policies very soon your behavior becomes second nature and prevents you from ever rising above your limitations. Just like Pavlov’s dog.

We are now live in a global world of intense competition, you can no longer afford to feel sorry for yourself and all those bad policies of the government for your situation. You have to confront and control your own destiny, or else give up and die - slowly, in front of the telly, in the pub, at the football game listening to all the others exactly like you.

Saying what happens in the USA doesn't affects the UK, and vice versa is xenophobic because each will adapt their laws/policies based upon what the other does by quoting each other saying, “If it’s good enough for the Americans/British then we should do it too.” Law makers for the most part are lazy they look for what’s called precedence so they don’t have to make the decision themselves.

The USA and the UK are no longer the powers they want the world to think they are, and they will do whatever they can to help each other appear to be strong so don't think what happens in the UK or USA stays there.

While I don't agree with every word I am not going to nitpick on details.
Excellent post




DomKen -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 10:33:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
You added text to my post as if I wrote it. That is expressly forbidden.


OOPs, I sure as shit did. When I review the text before posting it I don't always look at what I'm quoting. I'm using a phone at the moment and I remember hitting something and lost what I was writing so I rewrote it. So thats where it went. My sincere apologies for that. Can it be fixed ? I hope you don't think I did it deliberately. When you responded to it I wasn't exactly sure what you were talking about. I thought you might have meant my opinion took your argument out of context.

As long as you didn't do it intentionally.




DomKen -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 10:35:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Care to try again with actual gun control?

What do you call it when an entire region was disarmed by force?




TheHeretic -> RE: Gun control in the U.K. (3/21/2014 11:14:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

What do you call it when an entire region was disarmed by force?


In this instance, victory.




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