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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 9:00:55 AM   
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Should a gay florist sit in the back of the bus?

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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 9:08:22 AM   
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Sexual orientation and religion are BOTH protected classes under the Civil Rights Act. The gay florist would be acting illegally imo, denying service for Fred's religious activities and his religious funeral.


There are legalities and then there are realities. The reality is that one chooses their religion, one does not choose their sexual orientation.

As I understand it the religious are chosen; they do not choose. But that is for a different thread. The Civil Rights Laws protect certain classes against discriminatory actions. Religion is such a class. The florist is wrong. Fred could rise from his grave and take the matter to court. Otherwise he has no recourse.

Or his family could.

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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 9:43:10 AM   
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As I understand it the religious are chosen; they do not choose.


People are not born christian or muslim or whatever. There is no such thing as a "christian child" or a "muslim child." There are only children who happen to be born to christian parents or muslim parents. Children are prone to believe what they are told but eventually they grow up and any adult of average intelligence possesses the ability to reason. After that, all that is needed is some honesty and the courage to examine one's own beliefs to see that the god of the bible or the god of the koran or any god that humans have dreamed up is a fiction.

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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 9:54:54 AM   
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After that, all that is needed is some honesty and the courage to examine one's own beliefs to see that the god of the bible or the god of the koran or any god that humans have dreamed up is a fiction.



Unless He's not. Then where will you be?

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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 10:00:51 AM   
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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 10:00:52 AM   
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After that, all that is needed is some honesty and the courage to examine one's own beliefs to see that the god of the bible or the god of the koran or any god that humans have dreamed up is a fiction.



Unless He's not. Then where will you be?

He another person who's "wisdom" transcends all else.

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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 10:05:54 AM   
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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 10:46:29 AM   
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Unless He's not.


He not.

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Then where will you be?


I'd be in the same pickle as billions of others - a helpless victim of a psychotic, narcissistic, sadistic, evil, lying, hypocritical, grossly stupid, shithole of a god. Good thing for me and everyone else he really doesn't exist then, huh?

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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 11:13:02 AM   
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As I understand it the religious are chosen; they do not choose.


People are not born christian or muslim or whatever. There is no such thing as a "christian child" or a "muslim child." There are only children who happen to be born to christian parents or muslim parents. Children are prone to believe what they are told but eventually they grow up and any adult of average intelligence possesses the ability to reason. After that, all that is needed is some honesty and the courage to examine one's own beliefs to see that the god of the bible or the god of the koran or any god that humans have dreamed up is a fiction.



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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 11:13:43 AM   
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well, at least he isn't a feebleminded cretin.


Thank you. I find you to be less that cretinous yourself (and certainly not feeble-minded).

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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 11:20:22 AM   
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Preach on brother...preach on

we gonna have a tent raisin tonight. glory be.


Did someone say we havin' us a tent raisin'? Religion can be fun sometimes (so at least it is good for something).


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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 11:22:19 AM   
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Preach on brother...preach on

we gonna have a tent raisin tonight. glory be.


Did someone say we havin' us a tent raisin'? Religion can be fun sometimes (so at least it is good for something).


So now this is a Christian VS atheist thread?
How boring.
Although since it started with the absurd supposition that
Christians should have the same rights as gays ......

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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 11:24:49 AM   
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so stick around..............
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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 1:06:56 PM   
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So now this is a Christian VS atheist thread?

No . . . and I am not an atheist.

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How boring.

Then leave.

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Although since it started with the absurd supposition that
Christians should have the same rights as gays ......


When homosexuals can marry in all fifty states then I'll consider listening to the whiney ass christians about how oppressed they are because people object to their arrogant, ignorant, bigoted, bullying (but I wouldn't count on it).


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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 1:44:47 PM   
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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 7:17:10 PM   
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After that, all that is needed is some honesty and the courage to examine one's own beliefs to see that the god of the bible or the god of the koran or any god that humans have dreamed up is a fiction.


And a culture where you don't get stoned (the bad way) or beheaded for questioning it. That part is really important.

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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 7:23:15 PM   
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And a culture where you don't get stoned (the bad way) or beheaded for questioning it. That part is really important.


Well, you don't actually need those things to conclude that Yahweh et al, don't exist. But I will grant that they are conducive to a long life afterwards.


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RE: Should a gay florist be required to make an arrange... - 3/26/2014 7:51:39 PM   
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Nope, private business is private business, bring duck dynasty back to A & E then, but true equality isn't the point of the the liberal agenda is it?



Making A&E take back the bigots against their will would not be equality really......but it would be the rightist`s agenda......

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