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Phydeaux -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 8:34:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Odd because I feel that religion demands fairness without regard as to the religious beliefs or lack
there of in others.


You might but millions of others throughout history have felt exactly the opposite way. From the crusades to 911, from the Spanish inquisition to violence against homosexuals, the intolerance of religion has victimized millions.

So have city station, tribes, nations, individuals.

So pointing it out that people who are religious do it as well brings nothing to the conversation, eh?




BamaD -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 8:38:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Odd because I feel that religion demands fairness without regard as to the religious beliefs or lack
there of in others.


You might but millions of others throughout history have felt exactly the opposite way. From the crusades to 911, from the Spanish inquisition to violence against homosexuals, the intolerance of religion has victimized millions.

So have city station, tribes, nations, individuals.

So pointing it out that people who are religious do it as well brings nothing to the conversation, eh?

The fact that someone uses religion as an excuse doesn't mean they are following the religion.




Phydeaux -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 8:40:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

I can read your words. Where I have trouble is trying to enter your demented delusions and figure out what they hell you think is happening.

Darfur - is ethnic cleansing.
Ruanda- ethnic cleansing.
Israel building a wall... well lets just say.. one of these things is not like the other...



Proving you cant understand plain English, let alone my demented delusions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing


You represent that Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing.

Then provide a link that says no such thing.

Did ethnic cleansing happen as a result of the wars that Israel has been involved in (notably launched by arabs) absolutely.

So your delusion seems to be

a). That Israel is conducting ethnic cleansing now, or at least
b). That you have documented that it is conducting ec now.

Personally, as I tried to say earlier, Israels policy of not allowing palestinian return is just preventing ethnic cleansing of the Israelis. Now, if you want to talk about some other topic - we are free to do so. But don't expect people to read your mind.




Kirata -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 8:52:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Thank you for demonstrating that it is not only believers who are narrow minded.

religion practically demands intolerance

Excerpted from the Bhagavad Gita...
    I am the same in all beings; there are none who are disliked or favorites to Me.
    Those who worship Me with devotion, they are in Me, and I also am in them.
    He who sees Me everywhere, and sees all things in Me; I am not lost to him, and he is not lost to Me.
    Hear my supreme word, for thou art surely loved by Me; I speak for thy good.
    He who sees the supreme Lord existing alike in all beings, is he who truly sees.
Game, set, match.

K.




BamaD -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 9:07:37 PM)

"religion practically demands intolerance"

No it doesn't.




BamaD -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 9:13:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Thank you for demonstrating that it is not only believers who are narrow minded.


What is narrow minded about the truth? Do you deny these things happened? I in no way insinuated that non-religious folk are not capable of intolerance but religion practically demands intolerance. If someone is worshiping god the wrong way or, worse, worshiping the wrong god (because only your god is the real one) then you have to do something about that (lest your inaction angers god). Simply put, how many agnostics were torturing people during the inquisition? How many atheists flew airplanes into the World Trade Center? Is it religious or non-religious people who seeks to deny homosexuals their equal rights?

Your anti religious world view aside it is the Arabs who insist that Israel has no right to exist
and it is the Arabs who have repeatedly embraced to concept of genocide.




Owner59 -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 9:16:26 PM)

No doubt you`d capitulate under similar circumstances....[8|] Not....




playfulotter -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 9:19:09 PM)

Wow it is so simple...who are the terrorists? The Israelis or the "others"....If one or the other were in charge in that region of the world would life be better for all or not? it is not so hard to figure out....Religion gets in the way of so much...which side would make it better or worse nevermind if you win or lose?




BamaD -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 9:21:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: playfulotter

Wow it is so simple...who are the terrorists? The Israelis or the "others"....If one or the other were in charge in that region of the world would life be better for all or not? it is not so hard to figure out....Religion gets in the way of so much...which side would make it better or worse nevermind if you win or lose?

When the other side says they will exterminate you if you win it becomes and easy choice.




Owner59 -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 9:27:07 PM)

What`s the death rate of the a Palestinians and what`s the death rate of the Israelis from the conflict?



Actions speak louder than words.....




playfulotter -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 9:32:57 PM)

What causes the death rate?




Owner59 -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 9:35:32 PM)

Weapons.....




Kirata -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 9:36:12 PM)


~ FR ~

While we are still desperately concealing, denying and repressing our major ethnic cleansing of 1948 - over 600,000 refugees, some who fled for fear of the Israel Defense Forces and its predecessors, some who were expelled by force - it turns out that 1948 never ended, that its spirit is still with us. Also with us is the goal of trying to cleanse this land of its Arab inhabitants as much as possible, and even a bit more. After all, that's the most covert and desired solution: the Land of Israel for the Jews, for them alone. A few people dared to say it outright - Rabbi Meir Kahane, Minister Rehavam Ze'evi and their disciples, who deserve a certain amount of praise for their integrity. Many aspire to do the same thing without admitting it. ~Haaretz

K.




playfulotter -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 10:02:25 PM)

So we all agree all the other countries like Iran are doing better than Israel...remember...I am not religious and not even Jewish...this is how I see things as an outsider.....




Phydeaux -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 10:10:31 PM)

Opinions of zionist apologist to the contrary Kirata, I didn't dispute that the Israeli's carried out "ethnic cleansing" in 1948 or after the 1967 war.

I make no bones about that frankly, I don't care about it. The Israelis are in possesion of the land and there is no logical, ethical or moral principle that it is better to deprive them.

However, the topic I posted was Arabs insisting on the right to return. A policy they have publicly stated leads to the elimination of Israel. And for which millions of palestinians pray for every day.

My point - that Israel's refusal to carry out this pogram by denying them access to Israel, and Israel's refusal is in itself not ethnic cleansing.

If you wish to say that the settlement building is slow ethnic cleansing - I agree.

And the palestinians plight is only made worse by the arab league who would rather have a pr chip than a solution.

Israel has the power to continue making settlements. The arabs would be better to accept the agreement in principle, get peace and then break the agreemet when it suited.

Such is war and diplomacy.




Kirata -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 10:16:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: playfulotter

So we all agree all the other countries like Iran are doing better than Israel...remember...I am not religious and not even Jewish...this is how I see things as an outsider.....

I haven't agreed to anything, and your comparison to Iran is irrelevant to me as an American. America is not arming and funding Iran. I'm not very happy about some of our other relationships either, but those would be different topics.

K.




Kirata -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 10:22:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

However, the topic I posted was Arabs insisting on the right to return. A policy they have publicly stated leads to the elimination of Israel.

Well, no. It would mean that Israel would have to become the democracy it pretends to be, instead of an ethnically pure Jewish State. To some people that means the "elimination of Israel," but I am not one of them.

K.





BamaD -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 10:22:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: playfulotter

So we all agree all the other countries like Iran are doing better than Israel...remember...I am not religious and not even Jewish...this is how I see things as an outsider.....

Iran whose leadership has repeatedly proclaimed their intent to do a better job
of getting rid of Jews than Hitler?




BamaD -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 10:28:21 PM)

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AMONG the many floating voters in Israel’s election, thousands of Jews for the first time voted for four political parties led by Arabs. A teacher at Jerusalem’s Hebrew University voted for Asma Aghbarieh-Zahalka, who heads a socialist party that preaches that Arabs and Jews are both victims of nationalism. Other Israeli Jews who voted for Arab-led parties include a posse of artists and Avraham Burg, a former chairman of the World Zionist Organisation who was once parliament’s speaker. “I voted for the principle of equal citizenship rather than a nationalist ethnic state,” he says.

The mainstream Israeli media generally ignored the Arab-led parties, three of which look likely to get a total of 12 seats, one going to a Jew. Most Arab politicians used the social media to promote their wares in Hebrew. Yael Lerer, a Jewish publisher of translations of Arab texts who helped Azmi Bishara, an Arab parliamentarian now in exile, to found the National Democratic Assembly, better known as Balad, toured cafés and student halls in Tel Aviv to drum up left-wing Jews to vote for it. Real Democracy, a lobby, turned to Facebook to promote its campaign for Israeli voters to ask Palestinians from the occupied territories to tell them how to vote.

As usual, boycotts and infighting reduced the Arabs’ electoral clout. Hundreds of Jews who used to vote for Hadash, which purports to be a joint Jewish-Arab (originally communist) party, switched to Meretz, a Jewish-led socialist outfit led by a woman, after Hadash failed to put a woman high enough on its list to give her a decent chance of election. A stalwart anti-colonial Hadash comrade put off still more Jews of a peacenik persuasion by declaring his support for Syria’s Bashar Assad.

Fewer than 1% of Jews vote for Arab-led parties, whereas 20% of Arabs are still reckoned to vote for Jewish parties. In any event, the overall number of Arabs in Israel’s parliament fell because Jewish parties this time pushed their few Arab candidates further down their lists. Of the 108 seats won by Jewish-led parties, only two were assigned to Arabs, who make up a fifth of Israel’s 8m people. The overall number of Arab Israelis in the 120-strong parliament may decline from 17 to 13.




Owner59 -> RE: Ah, those peace loving Arabs (3/27/2014 10:38:06 PM)

So if we real Americans came down and took Alabama and threw those low-lifes off their land......ya`ll would be like Gandhi like and peace loving and stuff......


Prolly would be acting more like the Palestinians though.......if there were any men down there.......




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