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However, the topic I posted was Arabs insisting on the right to return. A policy they have publicly stated leads to the elimination of Israel.

Well, no. It would mean that Israel would have to become the democracy it pretends to be, instead of an ethnically pure Jewish State. To some people that means the "elimination of Israel," but I am not one of them.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

So if we real Americans came down and took Alabama and threw those low-lifes off their land......ya`ll would be like Gandhi like and peace loving and stuff......


Prolly would be acting more like the Palestinians though.......if there were any men down there.......

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I can read your words. Where I have trouble is trying to enter your demented delusions and figure out what they hell you think is happening.

Darfur - is ethnic cleansing.
Ruanda- ethnic cleansing.
Israel building a wall... well lets just say.. one of these things is not like the other...

Proving you cant understand plain English, let alone my demented delusions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

You represent that Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing.

Then provide a link that says no such thing.

Did ethnic cleansing happen as a result of the wars that Israel has been involved in (notably launched by arabs) absolutely.

So your delusion seems to be

a). That Israel is conducting ethnic cleansing now, or at least
b). That you have documented that it is conducting ec now.

Personally, as I tried to say earlier, Israels policy of not allowing palestinian return is just preventing ethnic cleansing of the Israelis. Now, if you want to talk about some other topic - we are free to do so. But don't expect people to read your mind.

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Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory with the intent of creating a territory inhabited by people of a homogeneous or pure ethnicity, religion, culture, and history

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What you might consider fact others will consider as fiction,

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The fact that someone uses religion as an excuse doesn't mean they are following the religion.

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ORIGINAL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups
In sociology and social psychology, an ingroup is a social group to which a person psychologically identifies as being a member. By contrast, an outgroup is a social group to which an individual does not identify. For example, people may find it psychologically meaningful to view themselves according to their race, culture, gender, or religion. It has been found that the psychological membership of social groups and categories is associated with a wide variety of phenomena.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

News today is that, once again, the Arab league has refused to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.


But remember -- it's only Israel thats an impediment to world peace.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

Second, Jews and Palestinians are genetically the same. This isn't a race war, the problematic distinction making this race into two different groups is one of religion.

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Too many to mention.[:D]

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So have city station, tribes, nations, individuals.

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So pointing it out that people who are religious do it as well brings nothing to the conversation, eh?

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Too many to mention.[:D]

One will do.

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Thank you for demonstrating that it is not only believers who are narrow minded.

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Because your truth is very selective, including only the examples that fit your world view.

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The fact that someone uses religion as an excuse doesn't mean they are following the religion.

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Your anti religious world view aside it is the Arabs who insist that Israel has no right to exist
and it is the Arabs who have repeatedly embraced to concept of genocide.

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Odd because I feel that religion demands fairness without regard as to the religious beliefs or lack
there of in others.

You might but millions of others throughout history have felt exactly the opposite way. From the crusades to 911, from the Spanish inquisition to violence against homosexuals, the intolerance of religion has victimized millions.

So have city station, tribes, nations, individuals.

So pointing it out that people who are religious do it as well brings nothing to the conversation, eh?

The fact that someone uses religion as an excuse doesn't mean they are following the religion.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
The fact that someone uses religion as an excuse doesn't mean they are following the religion.

Ah the good old no true scotsman fallacy....

For the chosen people of god to consider themselves the chosen people of god would seem to be following their religion, no?

A couple of things to keep in mind on this topic, first of all:

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In sociology and social psychology, an ingroup is a social group to which a person psychologically identifies as being a member. By contrast, an outgroup is a social group to which an individual does not identify. For example, people may find it psychologically meaningful to view themselves according to their race, culture, gender, or religion. It has been found that the psychological membership of social groups and categories is associated with a wide variety of phenomena.

Second, Jews and Palestinians are genetically the same. This isn't a race war, the problematic distinction making this race into two different groups is one of religion.

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Odd because I feel that religion demands fairness without regard as to the religious beliefs or lack
there of in others.

You might but millions of others throughout history have felt exactly the opposite way. From the crusades to 911, from the Spanish inquisition to violence against homosexuals, the intolerance of religion has victimized millions.

So have city station, tribes, nations, individuals.

So pointing it out that people who are religious do it as well brings nothing to the conversation, eh?

The fact that someone uses religion as an excuse doesn't mean they are following the religion.

So what is it you are claiming they are following? I don't think anyone on this thread is claiming that groups, in general, don't harm other groups. The point many of us are trying to make is that religion is another way of people defining their difference from others, and if one looks historically, some of the main categories of groups that have victimized others would be: race, religion, ethnicity. I don't mean this list to be exhaustive, but it probably covers 90% of historical strife. And I would wager that religion, on its own, probably accounts for over 70/80%. How many tribes lack religion? How many nations on this planet actually recognize religious freedom or are not completely dominated by one particular religion? Please point out human conflicts that exist completely devoid of religious differences. I am sure there are some, but I doubt very many when you consider conflicts overall.

What is it that you think explains human conflicts? Race/ethnicity alone does not account for all human conflicts. Even geo-political definitions cannot account for all human conflicts. Religion is an absolute factor - and a large one at that. And I am hard pressed to think of other MAJOR contributing factors. [sm=2cents.gif]

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A misinterpretation of a religion does not condemn that religion.