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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 8:34:56 AM   
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I haven't got a fortune in liquid assets but everything I own is my own. My appartment, studio and everything they contain. I owe the bank and nobody else nothing. However, I don't own a car but that is because I live in a city where it's easier to get around on a bike, foot and public transport.

Though most people I have met in the life style have the appearance of being better off than me but most have motgages and are paying for their car on credit and live month to month with the aid of credit cards.

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 8:46:42 AM   
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Until my car broke down twice in 3 months I was credit card debt free. But I'm getting it paid off as quickly as possible. Other than that, I have no debt. No savings either anymore, due to that blasted vehicle, but no debt. Next on the list is getting a good amount saved for a different vehicle.

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 8:49:44 AM   
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i have had the same observations as you.  I know this is going to sound shallow and will probably give everyone the wrong impression of me, however, I don't have any debt problems, and have been fortunate enough to be able to provide for myself rather nicely, and there seems to be a "difficulty" for both myself and the Doms that I meet if I earn more than they do. 


Admitting that you are financially stable and are doing well money-wise is shallow and giving the wrong impression?  Sounds like you've done things right and shouldn't be ashamed of it at all.  Unfortunately, those of us who actually have done well are often made to feel guilty for having what we have.

Be well,
Julie

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 8:58:48 AM   
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That's the best way sublizzie. Once you buy into the 'live now pay later' culture you're a slave. I've always lived modestly, prefering to use what money I earn to travel and socialize. I try to buy the best quality furniture etc. so it will last a long long time. I used to have a fridge that was bought by my parents in the fifties, it worked until the handle broke a little over three years ago. Some retro nut even bought that off me and got it repaired! Unfortunately, things aren't made to last so long nowadays.

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 9:06:27 AM   
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Very true, meatcleaver. Unfortunately for me I spent 26 years living with someone whose idea of good money management was getting a new credit card when he'd maxed out the other ones and writing checks until all of the checks were gone. I worked hard at just keeping us out of bankruptcy all those years to the point where I *hate* debt anymore.

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 9:27:25 AM   
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I think this topic speaks to the state of the US at this time.  Just like regular communities there will be people who are broke and people with money, people with mental illnesses and people with physical disabilities, people with hangups and people with religion, people with bad tempers..... you get the idea.  Just because we are in the lifestyle doesn't mean we don't still suffer from the same problems as the rest of the world.  There are just as many fiscally responsible people in the scene as there are in the rest of the world.  We are only a subset of the population as a whole and will reflect the general trends of the rest of the population.

Hmmmm.... This will appear on page 3... wonder if anyone is still reading.

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 9:47:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Yes and those idiots in Washington keep trying to tell us that things like NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, "Free Trade" deals Foreign Aid and this "Global Economy" crap are "good" for us!
Time to throw ALL of them out on their asses!


It has nothing to do with the government.  Do not blame them.  It has everything to do with the fact that nobody knows how to manage what they have.  My parents live in the USA and they live very comfortably on their pension, thank you very much.

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 9:50:55 AM   
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My job and car aren't that great, but the car can get me too and from Home Depot, and I have enough to buy rope darn it!

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 10:58:05 AM   
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"I fought to come back from that, and its been a hard road but I've done it.  If I sound a little proud of that, its cause I am. "

And rightfully so! Good for you! I can relate to that. Sometimes I get tired of the whiners complaining about the "bad economy"....I've been there and worked my ass off just to get by like many do now and end up with the 2 week paycheck that never really does much more than put beans on the table. Also lived in a jail cell for 2 years and left with a trash sack of  underwear and socks and out on the street, had the drug/alcohol problems,etc,etc. The beauty of this country is that you really can do anything you want if you put your mind to it! I KNEW I wanted more than the weekly paycheck so I tried this and that didn't work....then I tried that and another door closed and on and on for quite a few years (still doing the 9-5 thing and hating it)....BUT the dream never left. Most folks get into a mindset/rutt or become complacent with whats handed them in the workplace/life etc. If you can get that kind of thinking out of your head...you can make it happen...it won't be easy but knock on enough doors and finally one will open. It's a mindset and many won't get it and most never will. After many years and lots of failures (door knocking)....my dream came true after much hardwork and never letting the dream die and have now been self employed for 8yrs now...not rich but very comfortable and no debt. I never forget where I came from or the value of $ because I know that things can and do change in a heartbeat. Bottom line....Nobody is going to give it to you....you gotta go get it....and there's plenty of it out there!!!!!!! 

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 11:26:56 AM   
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Stglover, that's very true! Good to hear your story!
I'm ret. Military and I get a very generous pension from the V.A. which is also tax free, I own two condos here in Myrtle Beach,SC which have doubled in value over the last two years, investments in stock and a good bit of savings in the bank so I'm in very good shape financially and I don't feel "guilty" about it because I earned it.
Not a lot of people could work 100 hours weeks and be knocking off ice from a USCG Patrol Boat in the Gulf of Maine in Feb. so that you don't capsize into freezing water.

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 11:33:38 AM   
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Wow...what a success story.  Good for you.

Thank you.  I will say this, I haven't done anything that I don't think anyone else couldn't do if they put their mind to it.  For all the talk of bad economies and blaming the government and corporations, there is still so much opportunity in the US.  The trick is adapting, times change and that is never going to change!  The ones that survive and thrive are the ones who learn to adapt to those changes and keep going.

For me it was partly about hard work.  There's no getting around that, if you want to success in your life you are going to have to work hard.  I started a new business this year and I've had to do the work of three people because its still a small business and there wasn't the budget to hire the extra labor.  That's changing I'm happy to say, but for awhile there I was working a lot of long hours.

Hard work isn't enough though.  There was a saying I was raised with, "Work smarter, not harder."  Which isn't an excuse not to work hard, but sometimes hard work either isn't enough or isn't necessary.  You have to be smart about that.  You have to think about what you are doing, how you earn your money, how you spend it and find what's most effective.  Don't just work hard, work effectively.

And you have to have a plan to get you where you are going.  Lots of people set goals for themselves, they're at point A and they want to get to point Z.  What they don't do is plan how to get to all those other points in between that are the necessary steps to go from A to Z.  I made the comeback I have because I had a plan, I thought not just about what I wanted, but exactly how I was going to get there. 

Oh and a bit of advice passed on to me about building your credit.
Do not cancel those credit cards, pay them off and stick them in your sock drawer.  Cancelling them actually dings your credit a bit.  This was shared with me by a loan officer at one of the banks I do business with.

One of the best ways to build your credit is by simply building up credit history.  Apparenlty the major factor in your credit score is having made regular payments on your accounts without having let things go overdue.  So first of all, always pay at least the minimum required.  Second, if you have a few things that you don't have to pay off, don't, make the monthly payments.  For example, I bought a laptop recently and was going to just pay it off this month.  A credit councelor advised me not to but instead to keep making the monthly payments because each payment goes on my credit report and builds more history.  I have a couple such items (none of them are large balances so I'm not paying too much in interest) that I am doing this with for no other reason than the history it builds.

Pay your monthly utilities bills with a credit card, then pay the credit card off.  It used to be years ago that paying your monthly utilities and stuff helped build your credit.  These days it rarely gets reported.  So get a credit card, if you want have one card you use just for that purpose, and pay your bills with that, then pay it off at the end of the month.  In effect, you're getting your getting those monthly payments reported via a credit card and that too helps build more credit history.

And I agree with MsIncognito, credit cards are not evil.  They're just a tool, its how you use it that is good or bad.  Like her, I don't spend money I don't have.  I don't carry a balance forward on my credit cards.  I have two small accounts that I have deliberately left open for the reason I give above.  I realize there are some who already have balances they can't pay off, I would stress that you at least make the minimum payments... as long as you do that it doesn't ding your credit score.  Then get on the phone with the credit card companies and see if one of them will work with you about transfering some balances at a low interest rate.  Many of them will compete with each other to get those balances and you can sometimes get a good deal on the interest rate., and get a much lower rate than what you are paying now (most charge between 16% and 20%, but if you haggle with them I've gotten as low as 6.5% APR at a fixed rate for the life of the balance transferred, thats competitive with a secured bank loan!).  And of course, get your spending under control!

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 1:58:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

It's our liberal socialist government that is ruining us, not foreign competition.

More like our fascist kleptocratic government and the corporations that control it.
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When almost half of the cost of American retail goods is now added on in taxes, we are hamstrung in a global economy.
We can't compete,we aren't allowed to.

The so-called 'global economy' was originally created by the 'multinational' corporations as a way to evade taxes and any sense of social or environmental responsibility, as well as to undercut organized labor. They have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams...

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 2:02:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sublizzie

People in the lifestyle are just regular people. Most people I know are not wealthy. My fantasy of serving in a large house by cooking the best meals possible for Master and his guests is just going to have to stay a fantasy.... I don't know anyone who could actually afford that kind of lifestyle.


We occasionally do what we call "Elegant Orgies."  The setting is china, silver and crystal with six or seven courses.  Usually, there are things like lobster or crown roast of lamb.  The table limits the seating to ten people (usually two or three couples and a few singles and we usually have a few service submissives doing the service.  The way we can afford to do this is the cost of the food is divided among the seated guests.

It wouldn't work as a steady diet but it's a nice event to have occasionally.


Very cool! Good friends, good food and good service. AND wicked good fun!!!


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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 2:04:35 PM   
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Cacodylic, that is correct! And "our" last two Presidents have facilitated this.

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 2:16:15 PM   
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I guess I am just boringly middleclass. My assets outweight my debt but not a great deal. I can buy everything I need with a little left over to put away for when I don't want to work anymore and some for fun. Nothing extravagant though, not by far.

I have to add that I don't believe in the inability to find work unless one has serious health issues. If a person wishes to work badly enough  they certainly can. Without alot of boring details I am proof of that. It's just that alot of people seem to find it easier to find excuses for not.

I must be very lucky because I have friends of all economic strata and rarely think of their income or lack thereof. Good conversation doesn't cost anything.


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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 2:19:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bookitty66

This could just be an observation, but it does seem that the majority of the people that I have met in the lifestyle have barely been able to pay their own rent.

I have met some that are wealthy, or at least better off, but so many seem to be barely making it.

Just my area or??


A friend recently told us of an article in a financial magazine that defined "rich" in this country as having a positive net worth.  Not millions or even thousands, but just "positive."  It seems that the vast majority of the population have taken advantage of easy credit to the point that most people's debts outweigh their assets.




Very well said Sir.
 
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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 2:29:42 PM   
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Uh huh, everyone in the middle class belongs to a WINE CLUB.

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I guess I am just boringly middleclass.

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 2:37:22 PM   
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Now now LAM, I don't think that a $120.00 shipment of wine every 2 months is extravagant at all. I know many people that spend close to that on a night in a bar. A guy that works for me keeps a pony keg in his house and still hits the bar for beers 3-4 nights a week, I wonder what that costs... I don't go to bars and don't eat out often. It is all in how we CHOOSE to spend our money. I like a little of a good thing rather than alot of a mediocre thing. For example, I rarely eat fast food. Rarely being once or twice a year. However I will go to a great restaurant once every couple of months. I probably spend less than say my sister-in-law does eating out. I just choose to save it for special occasions at nice restaurants.
I am not being snooty, its just my personal preference.


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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 2:40:47 PM   
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It wouldn't bother ME if you really were an elitist.  Whenever I hear these overfed red-state senators talking about "elitists," I always think to myself, Uh huh, it's us latte-slurping, hybrid-vehicle-driving, foreign-film-appreciating elitists who are going to vote you pork bellies out of office and POSSIBLY restore this nation to decency.

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RE: broke in the lifestyle? - 7/9/2006 2:56:08 PM   
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It wouldn't bother ME if you really were an elitist.  Whenever I hear these overfed red-state senators talking about "elitists," I always think to myself, Uh huh, it's us latte-slurping, hybrid-vehicle-driving, foreign-film-appreciating elitists who are going to vote you pork bellies out of office and POSSIBLY restore this nation to decency.


Well it appears we probably do share politics. But as much as I would love to drive a hybrid I am sticking with my 2002 Prizm with 170,000 miles that is paid for. I don't do latte's but Liptons green tea or home brewed coffee. Much less expensive that stopping at a coffee shop and I prefer it. Foreign films, well, I have enjoyed some and others not so much so. Living in rural Iowa there is not much opportunity to see them. I don't spend money on movie rentals either. We have the basic satelite tv which suffices. Thank goodness I do believe that things are cyclic and that our government will inevitably change.


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