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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: altoonamaster

simply put if the bad guy knows your packing he's running

And if the bad guy thinks he's better than you??
Also, if you are concealed carry, he ain't gonna know and probably confront you anyway.

Someone is going to get seriously injured or dead.

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ORIGINAL: altoonamaster

i believe the bible says thou shall not steal

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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ORIGINAL: altoonamaster

i believe the bible says thou shall not steal

Not everyone is christian and I can bet the majority of people couldn't give two shits about what the bible says about anything these days.

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Here's a news flash, maybe getting robbed isn't worth taking a life.

In terms of rape (this isn't directly aimed at you Yachtie), statistics have shown that people aren't just going to pop out and rape you and also that most rapists (85%) are known their victim. Also rapes don't even usually happen outside, only 9% do.
http://www.rapecrisis.org.uk/commonmyths2.php

With that said, most muggings or robberies don't result in injury or death, with an average of 2000 violent incidents per year, when there are millions of muggings/roberies that happen within that time that DONT result in injury or death.
http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6480&context=jclc

Stuff is just stuff, it should not be worth your life or theirs. Yes, killings do result from robberies and muggings, but they're statistically small and unlikely to happen. And yes, they're stealing from you, but if you think killing someone is justified based on that then you have a twisted sense of morality.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: altoonamaster

simply put if the bad guy knows your packing he's running

And if the bad guy thinks he's better than you??
Also, if you are concealed carry, he ain't gonna know and probably confront you anyway.

Someone is going to get seriously injured or dead.

And if the bad guy thinks he's better than you...

How is that situation any worse than before?

But lets carry your game a little farther:

Before guns: You got screwed, mugged raped, whatever.
After guns: (Per you). The bad guy knows you're packing (wonder how). Decides to do it anyway. Confrontation ensues. Either you get mugged, raped or shot.. OR HE DOES.

Since most crimes are done by repeat offenders - the ultimate result is a decrease in crime.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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ORIGINAL: altoonamaster

i believe the bible says thou shall not steal

Not everyone is christian and I can bet the majority of people couldn't give two shits about what the bible says about anything these days.

Funny how you have no faith in religion but faith in criminals not to hurt you if you give them anything they want.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Here's a news flash, maybe getting robbed isn't worth taking a life.

In terms of rape (this isn't directly aimed at you Yachtie), statistics have shown that people aren't just going to pop out and rape you and also that most rapists (85%) are known their victim. Also rapes don't even usually happen outside, only 9% do.
http://www.rapecrisis.org.uk/commonmyths2.php

With that said, most muggings or robberies don't result in injury or death, with an average of 2000 violent incidents per year, when there are millions of muggings/roberies that happen within that time that DONT result in injury or death.
http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6480&context=jclc

Stuff is just stuff, it should not be worth your life or theirs. Yes, killings do result from robberies and muggings, but they're statistically small and unlikely to happen. And yes, they're stealing from you, but if you think killing someone is justified based on that then you have a twisted sense of morality.

I wouldn't kill him to protect my stuff but because he is willing to kill me to get it.
He, not I decided that my stuff is worth killing over.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I wouldn't kill him to protect my stuff but because he is willing to kill me to get it.
He, not I decided that my stuff is worth killing over.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

So, would you prefer rolling over?

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: altoonamaster

simply put if the bad guy knows your packing he's running

And if the bad guy thinks he's better than you??
Also, if you are concealed carry, he ain't gonna know and probably confront you anyway.

Someone is going to get seriously injured or dead.

And if the bad guy thinks he's better than you...

How is that situation any worse than before?

But lets carry your game a little farther:

Before guns: You got screwed, mugged raped, whatever.
After guns: (Per you). The bad guy knows you're packing (wonder how). Decides to do it anyway. Confrontation ensues. Either you get mugged, raped or shot.. OR HE DOES.

Since most crimes are done by repeat offenders - the ultimate result is a decrease in crime.

Total strawman.

Guns just make the killing easier and quicker.
If both are unarmed (like in most non-US countries), both people stand a chance to either escape or it's a fisticuffs and one will be the victor.
Given that many people carry pepper spray or other deterrent, there's a good chance you won't actually get mugged, raped, or whatever.
Most aren't likely to die as a result of such attacks.
Unpleasant experience (or victory) maybe - but not dead.

But when guns are involved on either side, someone is going to get fucked-over or die.
I never understand the stupid mentality that some gundiots show that it's shoot first or you're gonna get shot - that's just cranky wild-west thinking and two centuries out of date.
It's not that common in the real world - at least where guns aren't involved.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Here's a news flash, maybe getting robbed isn't worth taking a life.

In terms of rape (this isn't directly aimed at you Yachtie), statistics have shown that people aren't just going to pop out and rape you and also that most rapists (85%) are known their victim. Also rapes don't even usually happen outside, only 9% do.
http://www.rapecrisis.org.uk/commonmyths2.php

With that said, most muggings or robberies don't result in injury or death, with an average of 2000 violent incidents per year, when there are millions of muggings/roberies that happen within that time that DONT result in injury or death.
http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6480&context=jclc

Stuff is just stuff, it should not be worth your life or theirs. Yes, killings do result from robberies and muggings, but they're statistically small and unlikely to happen. And yes, they're stealing from you, but if you think killing someone is justified based on that then you have a twisted sense of morality.

I wouldn't kill him to protect my stuff but because he is willing to kill me to get it.
He, not I decided that my stuff is worth killing over.

And how often do you get mugged and they decide they'd rather kill you?

If it happens every other weekend you may have a point. Otherwise you're doing nothing but appealing to fear, which is a very poor argument fallacy indeed [8|]

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I wouldn't kill him to protect my stuff but because he is willing to kill me to get it.
He, not I decided that my stuff is worth killing over.

Typical gundiot thinking.
Why do you always assume they are going to kill you, so you have to get in there first??

Stupid. Just stupid.

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Got any numbers to back that up? Or just more fear mongering? [8|]

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That's the Limey way.