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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 1:40:22 PM   
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No, it can't be the left has assured us that every time someone uses a gun in self defense it
is a crime!



That would be an uneducated,moronic opinion, unsubstantiated by any facts.

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 1:41:42 PM   
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Another liberal misconception shredded by its encounter with reality.


That many liberals are gunowners shreds this moronic encounter with reality.

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 1:51:04 PM   
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Um guys, Chicago has had the worse winter since 78/79. I really don't think that CCW permits, of which 80% of haven't been processed as of yet, has anything to do with the drop in crime in Chicago.


Omg...a reasonable thought.

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 1:51:43 PM   
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Another liberal misconception shredded by its encounter with reality.


That many liberals are gunowners shreds this moronic encounter with reality.


How. Love to hear this one.

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 1:53:20 PM   
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Um guys, Chicago has had the worse winter since 78/79. I really don't think that CCW permits, of which 80% of haven't been processed as of yet, has anything to do with the drop in crime in Chicago.


Omg...a reasonable thought.


Which only in your mind explains the drop last summer as well.

Decline over the last 6 quarters.. quarter in and quarter out.

On the topic of worst winter.. gotta love that global warming, eh? Guess at the very least we should count it an asset that it lowers gun violence, eh?

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 1:59:37 PM   
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Um guys, Chicago has had the worse winter since 78/79. I really don't think that CCW permits, of which 80% of haven't been processed as of yet, has anything to do with the drop in crime in Chicago.

Because any crime drop has to be for any reason other than guns.
And as I stated earlier the bad guys wouldn't know which potential
victim is now armed.
If the crime drop continues are you going to blame summer weather.



Lets see the State Police have only been sending out approved permits since Feb 28. About 5,000 permits out of 50,000 applications so far.

The Illinois Supreme Court affirmed a citizens right to carry last year and gave the state until Jan 1, 2014 to write and enact a concealed carry law.

So they have been passing out ccw for 37 days and the article is claiming credit for six quarters of decreasing murder rate.
This is nothing but a plate full of turds.

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 2:08:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



Another liberal misconception shredded by its encounter with reality.


That many liberals are gunowners shreds this moronic encounter with reality.


How. Love to hear this one.

Ever heard of Hunter S Thompson, the noted lefty journalist and enthusiastic gun nut?


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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 2:10:28 PM   
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Um guys, Chicago has had the worse winter since 78/79. I really don't think that CCW permits, of which 80% of haven't been processed as of yet, has anything to do with the drop in crime in Chicago.

Because any crime drop has to be for any reason other than guns.
And as I stated earlier the bad guys wouldn't know which potential
victim is now armed.
If the crime drop continues are you going to blame summer weather.



Lets see the State Police have only been sending out approved permits since Feb 28. About 5,000 permits out of 50,000 applications so far.

The Illinois Supreme Court affirmed a citizens right to carry last year and gave the state until Jan 1, 2014 to write and enact a concealed carry law.

So they have been passing out ccw for 37 days and the article is claiming credit for six quarters of decreasing murder rate.
This is nothing but a plate full of turds.



So you think that it being legal doesnt

a). Affect the rate that people with permits might carry?
b) Doesn't affect the perception that people are allowed to fight back might change how frequently a victim is willing to put a cap in your ass - you think that doesn't affect the criminals point of view.

I for one think it does. I certainly don't have evidence either way.

But here's what we know. You certainly can't say that increased rights of gun ownership lead to increased violence, can you.

What you gloss over is that Chicago was the murder capital of the us according to the FBI in 2012. And it no longer is.

And, yanno, if this actually was an isolated incident - who knows. But you know what.. I don't think there has ever been a place in the US where the appeal of gun prohibitions lead to an increase in violence.

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 2:13:44 PM   
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Citing newly-released police data, the Sun-Times reports Chicago's first quarter of 2014 tallied the lowest number of homicides since 1958. The numbers reflect six fewer homicides than the same period in 2013, and 55 fewer homicides since the same time in 2012.

Jesus Mary And Joseph!!!! Mirable Dictu, the first three months and homicides are already down by six!!!!!! Fuckin massive with the final 1/3rd of that being due to concealed carry (not causally of course, just hysterically) This is big I tell ya, FUCKIN BIG!!!!!!

Who could need more proof that the nutsackers can not pour piss out of a boot?

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 2:13:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



Another liberal misconception shredded by its encounter with reality.


That many liberals are gunowners shreds this moronic encounter with reality.


How. Love to hear this one.

Ever heard of Hunter S Thompson, the noted lefty journalist and enthusiastic gun nut?



Uh - wrong thread. The question on the table is

How does the presence of liberal gunowners contest that the liberal belief that increased gun prohibitions decreases gun violence is shredded by studies like these that show violence decreases when gun prohibitions are repealed?

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 2:15:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		We are awaiting those shredded studies, and they are one less as it happens, since it has been shredded.

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 2:16:06 PM   
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from the dogshit article...............................


Citing newly-released police data, the Sun-Times reports Chicago's first quarter of 2014 tallied the lowest number of homicides since 1958. The numbers reflect six fewer homicides than the same period in 2013, and 55 fewer homicides since the same time in 2012.

Jesus Mary And Joseph!!!! Mirable Dictu, the first three months and homicides are already down by six!!!!!! Fuckin massive with the final 1/3rd of that being due to concealed carry (not causally of course, just hysterically) This is big I tell ya, FUCKIN BIG!!!!!!

Who could need more proof that the nutsackers can not pour piss out of a boot?

WITH the instructions written on the heel!

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 2:18:22 PM   
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from the dogshit article...............................


Citing newly-released police data, the Sun-Times reports Chicago's first quarter of 2014 tallied the lowest number of homicides since 1958. The numbers reflect six fewer homicides than the same period in 2013, and 55 fewer homicides since the same time in 2012.

Jesus Mary And Joseph!!!! Mirable Dictu, the first three months and homicides are already down by six!!!!!! Fuckin massive with the final 1/3rd of that being due to concealed carry (not causally of course, just hysterically) This is big I tell ya, FUCKIN BIG!!!!!!

Who could need more proof that the nutsackers can not pour piss out of a boot?


Lies, damn lies and statistics.

Chicago
Jan 1 - April 1, 2012 : Homicides 120.
Jan 1- April 1, 2014: Homicides 65.


Its a terrible thing.

forget that it means that there are less people mourning the loss of a family.
Less people dealing with tragedy.

Its more important that you conform to our liberal orthodoxy! Gun prohibitions are good. Obey! Obey!

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 2:21:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



Another liberal misconception shredded by its encounter with reality.


That many liberals are gunowners shreds this moronic encounter with reality.


How. Love to hear this one.

Ever heard of Hunter S Thompson, the noted lefty journalist and enthusiastic gun nut?



Uh - wrong thread. The question on the table is

How does the presence of liberal gunowners contest that the liberal belief that increased gun prohibitions decreases gun violence is shredded by studies like these that show violence decreases when gun prohibitions are repealed?

Nope, you made some bullshit point about there being no tooled up liberals, which I rebutted by citing a famously gun loving leftist.
If that's irrelevant to the topic on the table, you shouldn't have changed the subject yourself, should you?

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 2:41:20 PM   
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from the dogshit article...............................


Citing newly-released police data, the Sun-Times reports Chicago's first quarter of 2014 tallied the lowest number of homicides since 1958. The numbers reflect six fewer homicides than the same period in 2013, and 55 fewer homicides since the same time in 2012.

Jesus Mary And Joseph!!!! Mirable Dictu, the first three months and homicides are already down by six!!!!!! Fuckin massive with the final 1/3rd of that being due to concealed carry (not causally of course, just hysterically) This is big I tell ya, FUCKIN BIG!!!!!!

Who could need more proof that the nutsackers can not pour piss out of a boot?


Lies, damn lies and statistics.

Chicago
Jan 1 - April 1, 2012 : Homicides 120.
Jan 1- April 1, 2014: Homicides 65.


Its a terrible thing.

forget that it means that there are less people mourning the loss of a family.
Less people dealing with tragedy.

Its more important that you conform to our liberal orthodoxy! Gun prohibitions are good. Obey! Obey!



So, what accounts for that cuz the article you put up as proof of this asswipe is quoted as 55 from two years ago 6 from last year, why did you not put in the first quarter of last year? The lie is clear by your statistics. But that number would be 65 + 6 wouldn't it?

And there isnt any permit or ban gonna account for that. what was it first quarter 2011? first quarter 2010? first quarter 2009?


account for the differences with causality, something you dont have here.


< Message edited by mnottertail -- 4/7/2014 2:45:38 PM >

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 3:09:41 PM   
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i cant rob or rape anybody its to cold

He said it had dropped for 6 straight quarters, I don't think it was snowing last summer.


They didn't start issuing permits until February of this year, so the point about last summer is moot.
First Illinois CCW permits issued.

Now this is not to say that the McDonald SC decision didn't have anything to do with the crime rate, after all the SC basically bitch slapped Daley and allowed the citizens of Chicago to purchase firearms to protect their homes. But this and the Heller decision wouldn't have affected street crime at all.

As to knowing about Chicago's winter, yes I travel up there frequently, and still have family in Chicago.

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 3:42:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		To the various and sundry who don't bother to get their facts straight, The CCW permits have only just started getting issued. Crime has been dropping for years.

BTW crime is always sharply down when we have a bad winter. The bad guys don't hang out on the street when it is freezing cold and this has been the worst winter in at least 20 years.

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 4:01:24 PM   
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I never said it doesn't happen, quote where I said that, I said that the odds are in your favour that you aren't likely going to get killed during a robbery. Not to mention I supplied the last link, which states that there are roughly 2000 killings across the million or so muggings/roberies that happen on average every year, thats approximately 0.2%, so I'll leave it on your oh so superior intellect to take this one

And I never said they would go ahead and kill you if you did as they said.
I said by their actions they expressed a willingness to kill you for your stuff, without even knowing what you had.
Again if you have to insult people to make a point you can't have much of a point.

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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 4:05:02 PM   
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RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent... - 4/7/2014 4:05:40 PM   
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i cant rob or rape anybody its to cold

He said it had dropped for 6 straight quarters, I don't think it was snowing last summer.


They didn't start issuing permits until February of this year, so the point about last summer is moot.
First Illinois CCW permits issued.

Now this is not to say that the McDonald SC decision didn't have anything to do with the crime rate, after all the SC basically bitch slapped Daley and allowed the citizens of Chicago to purchase firearms to protect their homes. But this and the Heller decision wouldn't have affected street crime at all.

As to knowing about Chicago's winter, yes I travel up there frequently, and still have family in Chicago.

But the Chicago winter doesn't explain away the crime drop in the summer now does it?

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