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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


Then you are ignoring the magazines position that the "drop" in crime is the result, not of
one harsh winter, or the impending ability of "victims" to defend themselves, but to corruption
in Chicago deliberately refusing to report crimes as such creating the illusion of improvement.
The post you were attacking makes as much sense as crime dropped last summer because
this was a harsh winter now doesn't it?

It is pretty cear that you are completely unaware of what my position is on this subject.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

If you weren't just focusing on pro gun people

Please try to get the stick out of your ass.

you would have no problem
agreeing that claiming that this winter being harsh explains it is also false
as the rates dropped during the previous summer which not only wasn't
bitterly cold but predated this winter.

Did the rates drop equally? If they did then your position would be valid if they show a greater drop in cold weather then you would have instead a plate full of turds.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Since you failed to comprehend my post I will make another attempt to make it clear,

That is awful sweet of you.

although I suspect you just do not want to understand.

Some more of that "military intelligence" training in mind reading?

I said at the outset of this thread that the changes to gun control had not been in place
long enough to cause the drops.

Not till page 4...here is what you said in post #2
"No, it can't be the left has assured us that every time someone uses a gun in self defense it
is a crime!
Although the effect the overturning the gun ban could only have had a measurable effect so
soon would be because of the criminal element's fear that victims could be armed.
I doubt there has been a major influx of legal guns in Chicago."

While you "doubt that there is any major influx of legal guns in chicago" You still pimp the concept that the ccw law was a cause of the drop in violent crime.

When a person grasping at anything (except apparently logic) to argue with claimed
that the crime drop (which had been going on for a year and a half) was because the
weather this winter was particularly harsh.

That was not my claim. I questioned whether the drop was the same for both winter and not winter...please try to disagree with what I actually say and not what you feel you can attack.

I pointed out the obviously absurd nature of this comment.
You however are pretending that I have taken stands on both of these which are
diametrically opposed to what I have said.

You said
"Although the effect the overturning the gun ban could only have had a measurable effect so
soon would be because of the criminal element's fear that victims could be armed."

Then you said

" I doubt there has been a major influx of legal guns in Chicago.
See I clearly stated that there couldn't be enough legal guns in circulation to have an effect
How can so many people fail to comprehend that this is what I said"

Actually many do comprehend that these two statements of yours are mutually contradictory .

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

FR

It says something interesting about CM that we could have a nine-page thread based on a premise that blew up three posts after the OP.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

FR

It says something interesting about CM that we could have a nine-page thread based on a premise that blew up three posts after the OP.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Which part?
Since you cannot possibly know everyone on the left it is more than a little presumptious to claim to speak to the beliefs of the left.

You're saying the left doesn't believe that relaxing gun control doesn't invariably lead to higher violence?

No you said that.
Is it true that the brady bill is named for ragun's mouthpiece?
Is it true that the brady bill is an extremly draconian gun control bill?



So you'd agree that sometimes gun control leads to higher violence?

Do you have any proof of that?

(in reply to Phydeaux)

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It says something. "Interesting" isn't the word I'd go to.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Which part?

You're saying the left doesn't believe that relaxing gun control doesn't invariably lead to higher violence?

Really?

So you'd agree that sometimes gun control leads to higher violence?